Light plane crash near doncaster?
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Mort, whirly and co,
Stop speculating as to the cause of this tragic event!
There will be a full report in due course after the professionals make a thorough investigation.
Your are not helping by making wild and uninformed guesses as to the cause then posting them here. The families are having a hard enough time as it is with out having to read your drivel.
Wait for the report.
Stop speculating as to the cause of this tragic event!
There will be a full report in due course after the professionals make a thorough investigation.
Your are not helping by making wild and uninformed guesses as to the cause then posting them here. The families are having a hard enough time as it is with out having to read your drivel.
Wait for the report.
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I have just read the thread again - I'm keen to know details as it's not far from my neck of the woods.
Where are these alleged "wild and uninformed guesses"? Apart from one post mentioning wires, I don't see anything other than what has already been mentioned by the BBC.
Where are these alleged "wild and uninformed guesses"? Apart from one post mentioning wires, I don't see anything other than what has already been mentioned by the BBC.
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Some folks seem to get very uptight about this. As long as no-one claims to know the cause, or apportions blame, I think sensible discussion can only be an aid to flight safety. I very much doubt the grieving relatives will be reading an aviation forum.
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There isn't actually a strip at Ravenfield at present. It was ploughed a few weeks ago although the white edge markers are still there and visable if you know where to look.
There is a major powerline (200ft+) passing the site. The BBC news pictures of the site, which gave a comprehensive view, showed accident damage parallel to the powerlines (EW), which is also parallel to the motorway. The field is East of Ravenfield (heli) and double east of the strip (when not ploughed).
Here you are, yet again, .......
"""I intend to post the following after EVERY serious accident in future:
"PLEASE DO NOT POST ANYTHING THAT IS PURELY CONJECTURE ABOUT THIS ACCIDENT. LEAVE IT TO THE PROFESSIONALS TO DO THEIR BUSINESS"""
UV
Thanks Champagne, you are quite right, IMHO
"""I intend to post the following after EVERY serious accident in future:
"PLEASE DO NOT POST ANYTHING THAT IS PURELY CONJECTURE ABOUT THIS ACCIDENT. LEAVE IT TO THE PROFESSIONALS TO DO THEIR BUSINESS"""
UV
Thanks Champagne, you are quite right, IMHO
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Champagne Anyone and UV,
LEAVE US ALONE!!!!!!
Those of us who fly and work at Sheffield City Airport were horrendously shocked and upset at a serious accident happening almost within sight of us. We wanted to know what happened. We asked each other, asked around, at the airport, on PPRuNe, wherever we could. Was it our friends, our colleagues, people we knew? And that's what we're still doing, as we still don't know. Can't you see how we feel, from our posts? Have you no imagination or human feelings whatsoever?
Where are these "wild, uninformed guesses". I didn't make any, I don't see any, and I most definitely resent your wild and unnecessary accusations, when all I'm doing is discussing an awful accident that happened horribly close to where I was. If you don't like it, don't read it. I'm sure the grieving relatives aren't. If it was your relatives, do you really think you'd be getting on PPRune to find out what people were saying? What utter rubbish. And if I were by some remote chance a grieving relative reading this, it's people like you who'd upset me, not those who cared enough to wonder what happened.
This sort of thing happens after every thread like this. Whenever there's an accident, somebody thinks they have a right to tell everyone else what they can or can't post, on what is the Professional Pilots' RUMOUR forum. Usually I just leave them to it. But in this case you've annoyed and upset me, when I'm upset already. I don't need it. And I'm sure that goes for everyone else who was at Sheffield at the time. So I mean it, if you don't like it, get off this thread and LEAVE US ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LEAVE US ALONE!!!!!!
Those of us who fly and work at Sheffield City Airport were horrendously shocked and upset at a serious accident happening almost within sight of us. We wanted to know what happened. We asked each other, asked around, at the airport, on PPRuNe, wherever we could. Was it our friends, our colleagues, people we knew? And that's what we're still doing, as we still don't know. Can't you see how we feel, from our posts? Have you no imagination or human feelings whatsoever?
Where are these "wild, uninformed guesses". I didn't make any, I don't see any, and I most definitely resent your wild and unnecessary accusations, when all I'm doing is discussing an awful accident that happened horribly close to where I was. If you don't like it, don't read it. I'm sure the grieving relatives aren't. If it was your relatives, do you really think you'd be getting on PPRune to find out what people were saying? What utter rubbish. And if I were by some remote chance a grieving relative reading this, it's people like you who'd upset me, not those who cared enough to wonder what happened.
This sort of thing happens after every thread like this. Whenever there's an accident, somebody thinks they have a right to tell everyone else what they can or can't post, on what is the Professional Pilots' RUMOUR forum. Usually I just leave them to it. But in this case you've annoyed and upset me, when I'm upset already. I don't need it. And I'm sure that goes for everyone else who was at Sheffield at the time. So I mean it, if you don't like it, get off this thread and LEAVE US ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Am I the only cold and callous Bastard on here? Accidents happen all the time, more people die in cars and playing golf than flying. Why do we get so morbid over these things?
I personally will read the AIB reports with interest and see if there is anything to learn. I wont be looking at bits of ground where people shed the mortal coil any differently.
This is life, people die all the time, sometimes in their sleep other times a viloent and horrible death and sometimes somewhere in between. But the end result is the same.
So perhaps we should all be less emotional?
I personally will read the AIB reports with interest and see if there is anything to learn. I wont be looking at bits of ground where people shed the mortal coil any differently.
This is life, people die all the time, sometimes in their sleep other times a viloent and horrible death and sometimes somewhere in between. But the end result is the same.
So perhaps we should all be less emotional?
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Spot on Whirls.
Self-important finger waggers - you are out of order and not dislplaying any sort of mature human understanding when these tragedies occur, so back off.
And please don't do it again.
Self-important finger waggers - you are out of order and not dislplaying any sort of mature human understanding when these tragedies occur, so back off.
And please don't do it again.
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Concur with Whirlybird & SSD. Even the AAIB sometimes have to take an educated guess as to what happened, particularly in GA accidents.
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UV,
Why do you insist on reading these threads and posting your stupid message, as this thread clearly touches a nerve. Why don't your just ignore it.
We can all learn from these sad events, and the sooner the better. We also should accept that 80% of accidents are caused by human factors.....accept it....don't get all upset when someone even suggests it (I know people who have come to grief in tragic circumstances as well).
Unfortunately it looks like another recent crash was human error as well......though the report in a years time may confirm this.
Why do you insist on reading these threads and posting your stupid message, as this thread clearly touches a nerve. Why don't your just ignore it.
We can all learn from these sad events, and the sooner the better. We also should accept that 80% of accidents are caused by human factors.....accept it....don't get all upset when someone even suggests it (I know people who have come to grief in tragic circumstances as well).
Unfortunately it looks like another recent crash was human error as well......though the report in a years time may confirm this.
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Whirlybird,
Thank-you. What are these sanctimonious, goody-goody, holier-than-thou attitudes? Why do these people think they're clever for expressing them and why do they think they have the right to try and coerce highly respected members of this community into conforming with their smug, teenage world view?
I find them much more sickening than speculation as to the causes of a crash, which is part of what this place is about.
It's all part of what's wrong with Britain today; country's going to the dogs... etc etc grump, grump, grump.
QDM
Thank-you. What are these sanctimonious, goody-goody, holier-than-thou attitudes? Why do these people think they're clever for expressing them and why do they think they have the right to try and coerce highly respected members of this community into conforming with their smug, teenage world view?
I find them much more sickening than speculation as to the causes of a crash, which is part of what this place is about.
It's all part of what's wrong with Britain today; country's going to the dogs... etc etc grump, grump, grump.
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Air crash doncaster
I am a firefighter in South Yourkshire and also an early solo PPL so it saddens me to see such a tragic accident.
I was on duty on the day of this accident but was attending another incident when we heard the call to this crash over the radio. A colleague of mine was on the first appliance at the scene of the accident. As far as fire service intervention goes there wasn't really any as the fire in the aircraft had been extinguished by the first individuals on the scene.
I do not want to go into to many details regarding this accident but from what I understand from my colleague (who is not a pilot) and based on what he was told by a local farmer, the a/c was practising touch and go's and as I understand it, at some point, possibly downwind, the a/c came into contact with power lines. The a/c it would seem came into contact with the earth nose down and flipped.
I hope my above comments on this very tragic accident do not cause anyone any offence. I just feel that good, reliable information, prevents any unnessesary speculation.
My deepest condolences go out to the friends and family of the two individuals involved from both myself and indeed my colleagues who were on the scene.
I was on duty on the day of this accident but was attending another incident when we heard the call to this crash over the radio. A colleague of mine was on the first appliance at the scene of the accident. As far as fire service intervention goes there wasn't really any as the fire in the aircraft had been extinguished by the first individuals on the scene.
I do not want to go into to many details regarding this accident but from what I understand from my colleague (who is not a pilot) and based on what he was told by a local farmer, the a/c was practising touch and go's and as I understand it, at some point, possibly downwind, the a/c came into contact with power lines. The a/c it would seem came into contact with the earth nose down and flipped.
I hope my above comments on this very tragic accident do not cause anyone any offence. I just feel that good, reliable information, prevents any unnessesary speculation.
My deepest condolences go out to the friends and family of the two individuals involved from both myself and indeed my colleagues who were on the scene.
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oooo, Look i didnt mean to cause a big battle about this, all the info ive posted is what i have read from the bbc maybe for the guyz who aint read it yet and for me to find a little bit of info myself as i like many of us on this thread fly out of sheff and over that spot each day, im only a 60 hour newbie and things like this which happen around the corner get me wondering how IF human error how not to end up in the same situation!!
I am as of many is deeply saddened by this event, and it saddens me even more to think ive caused something more than an innocent few posts being new to the forum.
Sorry for the big debate ive appeared to have caused
I am as of many is deeply saddened by this event, and it saddens me even more to think ive caused something more than an innocent few posts being new to the forum.
Sorry for the big debate ive appeared to have caused
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Well said Whirly. I agree 100%. PPRuNe is like an electronic version of the pub or the clubhouse bar. I have never yet heard anyone in t'pub say "Lets not discuss it until the AAIB report comes out".
Sometimes we can learn things by discussing an accident that could stop somebody else from making the same mistake. I suggest that Champagne Anyone and UV stick to the AAIB website in future.
Dave
Sometimes we can learn things by discussing an accident that could stop somebody else from making the same mistake. I suggest that Champagne Anyone and UV stick to the AAIB website in future.
Dave