Use (abuse!) of strobes
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DFC :
First......... to one and all a safe new year.......
I fail to see the connection to flying at FL350 with regard to nav lights, and I very much doubt that pilots flying in that airspace will come to the Pprune private pilot forum to verify any SOP or legal requirement concerning this subject.
When I do get tangled in these discussions here I try desperately to argue my positions based on common sense and good airmanship, none of us could possibly read every rule and regulation....even if we did there are deliberate grey areas built into them to protect the regulator, that is why you get so much disagreement between people because rules are deliberately written to confuse.
Chuck E.
First......... to one and all a safe new year.......
I fail to see the connection to flying at FL350 with regard to nav lights, and I very much doubt that pilots flying in that airspace will come to the Pprune private pilot forum to verify any SOP or legal requirement concerning this subject.
When I do get tangled in these discussions here I try desperately to argue my positions based on common sense and good airmanship, none of us could possibly read every rule and regulation....even if we did there are deliberate grey areas built into them to protect the regulator, that is why you get so much disagreement between people because rules are deliberately written to confuse.
Chuck E.
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When paxing around I notice that airliners on the apron have their nav lights on some time before pushback, regardless of the time of day. i.e. the red/green and white lights.
If I follow this thread correctly, are these then set to off after departure and during daylight hours?
Just curious.
If I follow this thread correctly, are these then set to off after departure and during daylight hours?
Just curious.
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From: Up there somewhere
they are on to show the aircraft has power on i.e. batt/gen switch on. I was just discussing this with a friend who actually mentioned it to me - i didn't realise it was done on commerical jets. I guess they get turned off before flight then judging by what has been said on here with regards to flying with them on commercially.
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From: Euroland
Flying Farmer,
It means that if an anit-collision light is fitted to comply with the requirements for displaying such a light at night or sunset to sunrise as appropriate, then the anti collisio lights should laso be displayed by day unless the lights are switched off to avoid dazzle etc.
Part of the problem here seems to be that many are not aware of the difference between an anti-collision light or lights and a strobe light system.
Regards,
DFC
It means that if an anit-collision light is fitted to comply with the requirements for displaying such a light at night or sunset to sunrise as appropriate, then the anti collisio lights should laso be displayed by day unless the lights are switched off to avoid dazzle etc.
Part of the problem here seems to be that many are not aware of the difference between an anti-collision light or lights and a strobe light system.
Regards,
DFC
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Part of the problem here seems to be that many are not aware of the difference between an anti-collision light or lights and a strobe light system.
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I see this issue is still entertaining the readers of this forum, so with nothing better to do this A.M. here on beautiful Vancouver Island I will once again jump into this mindboggling stupid conversation.
The root problem is society has been dummed down to this level where hopefully mature individuals are unable to grasp some very simple facts.
First fact is unless the ambient light is low enough aircraft external lights are not really that obvious to the person looking at the aircraft, during reasonably good ambient light conditions when you look across the ramp what do your eyes first imprint on your brain, the aircraft or the lights?
As to which lights are most noticeable the following will be evident.
Most noticeable......White Strobes
Next....................... Red Rotating Beacons.
Least..................... Wing tip, Tail, Navigation lights.
Society is cowed by more and more regulations cobbled together by bureaucrats backed up by lawyers figuring out ways to fleece the sheep if we are found to be breaking the rules.
It is everywhere, this keyboard that I am typing on has a warning from the manufacturer stating...
WARNING....To reduce risk of serious injury read safety & comfort guide provided with product and at www.compact.com/ergo
Airliners and commercial aircraft have those nav lights on for the same reason that this keyboard has that warning...to avoid lawyers suing people and bureaucrats and their minions climbing all over you for some rule violation.
By the way, suppose the nav lights somehow were left off on every airline airplane on every ramp on earth, how many passengers would walk into a jet intake?
I must be slipping into senility even staying in this discussion.
Chuck E.
The root problem is society has been dummed down to this level where hopefully mature individuals are unable to grasp some very simple facts.
First fact is unless the ambient light is low enough aircraft external lights are not really that obvious to the person looking at the aircraft, during reasonably good ambient light conditions when you look across the ramp what do your eyes first imprint on your brain, the aircraft or the lights?
As to which lights are most noticeable the following will be evident.
Most noticeable......White Strobes
Next....................... Red Rotating Beacons.
Least..................... Wing tip, Tail, Navigation lights.
Society is cowed by more and more regulations cobbled together by bureaucrats backed up by lawyers figuring out ways to fleece the sheep if we are found to be breaking the rules.
It is everywhere, this keyboard that I am typing on has a warning from the manufacturer stating...
WARNING....To reduce risk of serious injury read safety & comfort guide provided with product and at www.compact.com/ergo
Airliners and commercial aircraft have those nav lights on for the same reason that this keyboard has that warning...to avoid lawyers suing people and bureaucrats and their minions climbing all over you for some rule violation.
By the way, suppose the nav lights somehow were left off on every airline airplane on every ramp on earth, how many passengers would walk into a jet intake?
I must be slipping into senility even staying in this discussion.
Chuck E.
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From: Somerset England
No confusion at all DFC, our aircraft do not have anti colls fitted but they do have HISL, and I'm not talking bug smashers in case you wondered!!
I'm bowing out gracefully as its all getting a bit silly now
I'm bowing out gracefully as its all getting a bit silly now
