Auster on a permit (Merged)
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Pleaseed to say there are a fair few outside of the UK.
(including beagle types)
There are some in Portugal (OGMA actually licence built some there). I have also heard of some in Spain, Italy, Switzerland, a few in France and a good gathering in Sweeden.
The only one's I have actually seen were in Sweeden and I think they wereon some sort of home build Caa licence (the guy rebuilding it was not a certified engineer and he made some mods).
Then of course there are a fair few down on the penal colony (the Auster served in RAAF and NZ).
Last but not least the Americas. I know of 3 or 4 flying in the states (even an autocrat ) plus I did hear of one in Argentina.
But alas I don't know about certifiaction. Only I would assume all the AOP models (ex-military) ones. are on some sort of permit as they were not always civil model equivilant. (i though the Mk 6 was a demobbed aop6).
and the aop9 never had a civvy model.
Thats all I know I'm afraid
(including beagle types)
There are some in Portugal (OGMA actually licence built some there). I have also heard of some in Spain, Italy, Switzerland, a few in France and a good gathering in Sweeden.
The only one's I have actually seen were in Sweeden and I think they wereon some sort of home build Caa licence (the guy rebuilding it was not a certified engineer and he made some mods).
Then of course there are a fair few down on the penal colony (the Auster served in RAAF and NZ).
Last but not least the Americas. I know of 3 or 4 flying in the states (even an autocrat ) plus I did hear of one in Argentina.
But alas I don't know about certifiaction. Only I would assume all the AOP models (ex-military) ones. are on some sort of permit as they were not always civil model equivilant. (i though the Mk 6 was a demobbed aop6).
and the aop9 never had a civvy model.
Thats all I know I'm afraid
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One wonders how long before the CAA, to protect the public, stop or reduce the priviledges of a CofA and especially any public transport ones for such an aged aircraft (and engine/s). The headline would sadly easily be written if anything untoward should happen over built up areas at night or in imc.
Austers have never had the aaah factor of certain other marks, parts have possibly been a bit dodgy as engineers made do and mend - something that todays climate will probably not accept even if the engineers of today with their quality control and parts tracking systems could or would - so it will be sad to see the type continue its slide in numbers but perhaps it is inevitable.
Besides they take up too much hangar space and don't have fuel efficient Rotaxes
Austers have never had the aaah factor of certain other marks, parts have possibly been a bit dodgy as engineers made do and mend - something that todays climate will probably not accept even if the engineers of today with their quality control and parts tracking systems could or would - so it will be sad to see the type continue its slide in numbers but perhaps it is inevitable.
Besides they take up too much hangar space and don't have fuel efficient Rotaxes
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Off thread slightly, but I remember passing the old Doncaster airport on the way to the PFA rally in my collegue's Terrier when a sailplane came from behind, formated on our starboard wing, then accelerated off into the distance, while we sat rattling and shaking burning 8gph and about 2pts oil/hr!
Looks like the CAA have found an organisation to look after teh Austers then. This is the reply I got from them yesterday:
The following is the current status of the Auster in airworthiness terms as advised by our certifications department. Whilst it is recognised that it may be a disappointment to you, the issue is that of the availability of a person or persons willing to undertake the minimum responsibilities to support ongoing C of A status. At present that appears to be the case and so in accordance with the ANON, these aircraft remain eligible.
Croqueteer you should have got an Autocrat. No faster but only 4 gph and negligable oil burn
The following is the current status of the Auster in airworthiness terms as advised by our certifications department. Whilst it is recognised that it may be a disappointment to you, the issue is that of the availability of a person or persons willing to undertake the minimum responsibilities to support ongoing C of A status. At present that appears to be the case and so in accordance with the ANON, these aircraft remain eligible.
Croqueteer you should have got an Autocrat. No faster but only 4 gph and negligable oil burn
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L&S, the first a/c I owned in 1972 was an Autocrat with a cirrus minor engine, and as you say, a lovely machine with low fuel consumpion and negligible oil burn. I took it away from Sywell with a new C of A and a spare 0hr cirrus for £1650. I had two years fun out of it at a time when I didn't know much about wt and balance!
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Everyone with an interest in this needs to vote on the Auster forum and send their thoughts to the CAA:
http://www.austerclub.org/forum/view...r=asc&start=45
Remaining on C of A is not a done deal. The CAA have put it on hold while they canvas more opinion. It is clear the vast majority of Auster owners wish to go to permit and only a tiny vocal minority who wish to fly IMC and night (how much of this do they really do anyway?) are screwing it up for the vast majority.
So get on there and vote and make your feelings known.
QDM
http://www.austerclub.org/forum/view...r=asc&start=45
Remaining on C of A is not a done deal. The CAA have put it on hold while they canvas more opinion. It is clear the vast majority of Auster owners wish to go to permit and only a tiny vocal minority who wish to fly IMC and night (how much of this do they really do anyway?) are screwing it up for the vast majority.
So get on there and vote and make your feelings known.
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Well it stinks to much of an old boys club to me with all this. So I have now cancelled my membership of the owners club in protest.
If they were put on a pfa scheme, I would have looked at an Auster again.
If they were put on a pfa scheme, I would have looked at an Auster again.
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Replacement Parts
Hello everybody, If you need a replacement wingspar or two, I can supply at a CAA price. If you can hang on until we can get the Auster on a PFA Permit the cost would be around a half. identical spar, different paperwork.
Similarly anyone needing a liftstrut I could supply if on PFA Permit and probably on other forms of control, but who is going to sort out the paperwork and messing around, not me! No chaps, lets get on to the PFA permit system, get flying and enjoy the warm weather.
Similarly anyone needing a liftstrut I could supply if on PFA Permit and probably on other forms of control, but who is going to sort out the paperwork and messing around, not me! No chaps, lets get on to the PFA permit system, get flying and enjoy the warm weather.
Austerphile that pretty much sums up the only real difference between the two regimes.
You wouldn't happen to have the rear wing struts and a vertical tail and rudder of a J1/N would you?
You wouldn't happen to have the rear wing struts and a vertical tail and rudder of a J1/N would you?
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Just out of interest, what would happen if EASA/CAA find a TCH and decide therefore that all aircraft become CofA-able.
Does that mean that all those who were on Permits need to have the bits and pieces replaced and would need to have a CofA as well?
Does that mean that all those who were on Permits need to have the bits and pieces replaced and would need to have a CofA as well?
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Lift Struts
Originally Posted by LowNSlow
Austerphile that pretty much sums up the only real difference between the two regimes.
You wouldn't happen to have the rear wing struts and a vertical tail and rudder of a J1/N would you?
You wouldn't happen to have the rear wing struts and a vertical tail and rudder of a J1/N would you?
I might have, I will have to look next week. Now, there arent many lift struts around, I may be able to make some out of suitable round tube and spruce streamlining, It would come with CAA paperwork if I did it I will have to look at a drawing to see what is involved and draw on somebodiy's experience in this subject. Anybody got a drawing of two piece lift struts out there?
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austerphile that sounds like an interesting solution. I take it the wood / steel combination would have to be covered with fabric and painted?
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re: lift struts
been there done that. the exact size streamline tubing is not available for the wider ones from anywhere. so you cant make a copy and get a form 1.
very similar tubing is stock from spruce and could be used, together with lugs from an engineering company. but then its either a re-certification issue with the caa or a more basic excersice with the pfa.
Although how any of the above would be seen by the current 'design / copywright company' last known to be steven sywell (who technically bought the assets of auster and beagle / auster products from Shoreham in the early eighties as far as i know. is another question. but so is how much insurance would cost if a new DA is set up to keep them on a CofA.
been there done that. the exact size streamline tubing is not available for the wider ones from anywhere. so you cant make a copy and get a form 1.
very similar tubing is stock from spruce and could be used, together with lugs from an engineering company. but then its either a re-certification issue with the caa or a more basic excersice with the pfa.
Although how any of the above would be seen by the current 'design / copywright company' last known to be steven sywell (who technically bought the assets of auster and beagle / auster products from Shoreham in the early eighties as far as i know. is another question. but so is how much insurance would cost if a new DA is set up to keep them on a CofA.
Thanks for the info chaps. Looks like my cunning plan of slowly collecting the bits to turn the J1 into a J1/N (Gipsy engine) or a J1/S (O-320 engine) have bitten the dust then 
Maybe the O-200 option is better as, being the same horsepower (theoretically) as a Cirruss Minor II it won't need the bigger struts and vertical tail that the bigger engined versions need.
Maybe the O-200 option is better as, being the same horsepower (theoretically) as a Cirruss Minor II it won't need the bigger struts and vertical tail that the bigger engined versions need.
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There 'may' also be a chanceof having the 0200 machine on a pfa permit.
There is a conversion out there often called a 'kingsland' auster or somewthing like that. if you check with g0info it might help.
I was told it was developed by some club 'rolls royce ?' and they made up drawings for the cowling and engine frame. Last i looked there were 2 flying and they were on a permit ?
I dont know where the airframes came from or how it would work.
There is another way to get on a pfa permit. That would be to finish off some of the airframes (the part with the serial # to say if its a plane or not) that were not finished and had no serial #'s when auster went bust.
The 'crofton' auster is one of these, but that a long way of doing things.
I did know of 2 such frames, one a D6 the other i cant remember. but the person who had them is hard to even talk to and never really sells anything, or flies it for that matter. you must know who i mean.
There 'may' also be a chanceof having the 0200 machine on a pfa permit.
There is a conversion out there often called a 'kingsland' auster or somewthing like that. if you check with g0info it might help.
I was told it was developed by some club 'rolls royce ?' and they made up drawings for the cowling and engine frame. Last i looked there were 2 flying and they were on a permit ?
I dont know where the airframes came from or how it would work.
There is another way to get on a pfa permit. That would be to finish off some of the airframes (the part with the serial # to say if its a plane or not) that were not finished and had no serial #'s when auster went bust.
The 'crofton' auster is one of these, but that a long way of doing things.
I did know of 2 such frames, one a D6 the other i cant remember. but the person who had them is hard to even talk to and never really sells anything, or flies it for that matter. you must know who i mean.
The chap who had the Auster before me had a chance to do this when it was in bits but he chose not to. I don't think it would have been quite legit at the time.