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Strangely I did exactly the same thing as the original poster on Sunday. I wanted to get some fuel so I thought I would try EGSY for a change as I have never been there. I got the same response re faxed forms, so I went and found a neighbour who had a fax at home, got the form, signed it, returned it and rang them. I then got a whole load of questions about arrival times, departure times, no of pax etc, but the final straw was the requirement for wearing hi vis jackets (which I don't have) to just go and pay for the fuel - on a quiet Sunday morning.
So I canned the idea and went to Tatenhill instead where they are very friendly, very helpful and never even mention orange jackets!
So I canned the idea and went to Tatenhill instead where they are very friendly, very helpful and never even mention orange jackets!
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I think the yellow vest thing is gettableroundable by having somebody walk with you to reception to pay.
The fire/ fuel crew will usually oblige, or somebody else on the ramp.
In the bad old days of "la grande illusion" you had to pay for somebody to walk with you even if you had the jacket (I recall it was £15 either way, so £30 round trip) which might be why nobody ever landed there.
Tatenhill is a very green airfield so it would be safer to wear yellow to be seen. Most people standout against the gray of the Sheffield ramp.
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The fire/ fuel crew will usually oblige, or somebody else on the ramp.
In the bad old days of "la grande illusion" you had to pay for somebody to walk with you even if you had the jacket (I recall it was £15 either way, so £30 round trip) which might be why nobody ever landed there.
Tatenhill is a very green airfield so it would be safer to wear yellow to be seen. Most people standout against the gray of the Sheffield ramp.
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I have to admit that I did not ask about the availability of a jacketed companion, so perhaps I was a bit hasty. To be fair, I have heard good things about Sheffield and I imagine that they also are irritated by the rules under which they have to operate.
Their problem in this respect is that all their local competition are very relaxed, and a quick radio call to announce your arrival is all that is necessary. Hence I usually fuel up at Tatenhill or Derby or maybe Nottingham.
By the way, what is the landing fee at EGSY for an R22?
Their problem in this respect is that all their local competition are very relaxed, and a quick radio call to announce your arrival is all that is necessary. Hence I usually fuel up at Tatenhill or Derby or maybe Nottingham.
By the way, what is the landing fee at EGSY for an R22?
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The original builder of Sheffield Airport (can't recall... was it Budge?) was after the coal deposits and completed a deal with the local development agency of the time for open caste coal mining of the Tinsley area, at the end of which the land was to be tidied up and partly used for an international airport modelled on London City STOL port. This started off in a blaze of council led glory, until it steadily petered out as, sadly, one airline after another dropped out.
Later, when Peel acquired Finningley, with the intention of making it into a major airport, various objections began to surface from the likes of Humberside Airport, Leeds/Bradford and Sheffield Airport and their respective councils/owners, who foresaw a loss of revenue for their local airports if Finningley went ahead.
Peel bought Sheffield Airport so as to remove one objector from that list, at the same time obtaining some prime building land. There was the proviso in the sale that it was to remain operational as an airport for a number of years (7?). The fact that it never made money as an airport then, or now, suggests that Peel see the long term future of the land as being used for something else, when the proviso runs its period, by which time Finningley will be open, leaving Sheffield, perhaps, with a heliport and a 650m strip.
Peel is primarily a highly successful land/property company. They have acquired, or have the majority share holding, in 5 airfield sites (Liverpool/Teesside/Barton/Sheffield/Finningley). They have acquired those sites for the commercial brown field building land which is located within the site boundaries.
Later, when Peel acquired Finningley, with the intention of making it into a major airport, various objections began to surface from the likes of Humberside Airport, Leeds/Bradford and Sheffield Airport and their respective councils/owners, who foresaw a loss of revenue for their local airports if Finningley went ahead.
Peel bought Sheffield Airport so as to remove one objector from that list, at the same time obtaining some prime building land. There was the proviso in the sale that it was to remain operational as an airport for a number of years (7?). The fact that it never made money as an airport then, or now, suggests that Peel see the long term future of the land as being used for something else, when the proviso runs its period, by which time Finningley will be open, leaving Sheffield, perhaps, with a heliport and a 650m strip.
Peel is primarily a highly successful land/property company. They have acquired, or have the majority share holding, in 5 airfield sites (Liverpool/Teesside/Barton/Sheffield/Finningley). They have acquired those sites for the commercial brown field building land which is located within the site boundaries.
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Muffin, if you land a R22 and take on fuel it should be free (minima is about 50l avgas).
The strategic plan for EGSY points to more rotary traffic, for even if the runway is 'sawn orf' the rotary ramp is huge.
This is the frustrating thing. They want more movements and put in place incentives like no LF if fuel uplifted and then refuse the movement.
It is like a programme of "passive rejection" of custom. And perhaps this comes back to one of the original threads about a desire to fail.
The original building deal was done by the SDC in the early 90\'s.
I recall the arrangement was that RJB Mining would develop the site in exchange for open cast (which you can see on the Helicopters South Golf Course Approach, just don\'t autorotate into the hole) but have some recollection of there being a problem that left them with the open cast site but no airport (forget the exact details).
I think the work was done with European funding and underwriten by the council.
One of the former airport managers at Gamston was involved in the planning of the airport and told me that a better runway alignment could have yielded more runway and hence made it more attractive for airlines to use.
The original flight was a KLM UK to Schipol (always full and v useful flight because of connections). This was ended (KLM wanted lots at Schipol ???????? but it was always very full and popular so don\'t understand that one in \'98/\'99)
Then BA City Express with flights to LCY, Belfast and Dublin. The City flights were a non starter. I was often the only PAX on a J41 (expensive anyway) so it never made money but much faster than the trains.
Then there was the famous crash (reverse thrust I think).
Then Sabena for a while, and the final flight was the Belfast route.
The only big traffic in since are royal flights in an Avro146 (which can stop on the current runway).
The big problem in the airline days was cost. Landing etc was prohibitive whereas a Swansea/ Cardiff/ Southampton type operation was (and is) significantly less expensive and much more welcoming.
Problem of strategy or problem of people?
Also, read more here from the Council eGov site
http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/index.asp?pgid=26549
What difference will the shorter runway make to GA?
The strategic plan for EGSY points to more rotary traffic, for even if the runway is 'sawn orf' the rotary ramp is huge.
This is the frustrating thing. They want more movements and put in place incentives like no LF if fuel uplifted and then refuse the movement.
It is like a programme of "passive rejection" of custom. And perhaps this comes back to one of the original threads about a desire to fail.
The original building deal was done by the SDC in the early 90\'s.
I recall the arrangement was that RJB Mining would develop the site in exchange for open cast (which you can see on the Helicopters South Golf Course Approach, just don\'t autorotate into the hole) but have some recollection of there being a problem that left them with the open cast site but no airport (forget the exact details).
I think the work was done with European funding and underwriten by the council.
One of the former airport managers at Gamston was involved in the planning of the airport and told me that a better runway alignment could have yielded more runway and hence made it more attractive for airlines to use.
The original flight was a KLM UK to Schipol (always full and v useful flight because of connections). This was ended (KLM wanted lots at Schipol ???????? but it was always very full and popular so don\'t understand that one in \'98/\'99)
Then BA City Express with flights to LCY, Belfast and Dublin. The City flights were a non starter. I was often the only PAX on a J41 (expensive anyway) so it never made money but much faster than the trains.
Then there was the famous crash (reverse thrust I think).
Then Sabena for a while, and the final flight was the Belfast route.
The only big traffic in since are royal flights in an Avro146 (which can stop on the current runway).
The big problem in the airline days was cost. Landing etc was prohibitive whereas a Swansea/ Cardiff/ Southampton type operation was (and is) significantly less expensive and much more welcoming.
Problem of strategy or problem of people?
Also, read more here from the Council eGov site
http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/index.asp?pgid=26549
What difference will the shorter runway make to GA?
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What difference will the shorter runway make to GA?
Shouldn't the airport go on the open market?
And can't a GA airport make money, especially if it is bought and paid for, up and running, without a management which aims to discourage business.
There must be the occasional 'bigger' user who needs the 1200m runway. Even the airport website shows a Challenger parked on the apron.
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I think the Challenger was a bit of a one off (the Queen drops in occasionally but not on a 650M runway).
The link on my previous to the Council site shows a plan for building to the West but with a committment to keep the 650M plus heliport for a further seven years (2014AD).
You have to elsewhere for circuit training anyway so it might also drive some business into N'thorpe, Gamston, Sandtoft and Sherburn for duel site training schools plus the passing trade.
The thing that hobbles the place are the opening hours. No actions or movements before 0830, so it can never have any kind of real business activity (ie you cant fly to Denham or Southampton or anywhere for meetings unless they are 1300hrs onwards.
The helicopter shuttles to other 'northern airports' are unlikely to gain traction. For Manchester business flights this would mean lifting twin pilot IFR (in Winter) over the Peak with a lift time around 05:30 local. If the place does not open till 0830 all outbound will miss the business flights.
I wonder which 'consultants' advised on that study ...
The link on my previous to the Council site shows a plan for building to the West but with a committment to keep the 650M plus heliport for a further seven years (2014AD).
You have to elsewhere for circuit training anyway so it might also drive some business into N'thorpe, Gamston, Sandtoft and Sherburn for duel site training schools plus the passing trade.
The thing that hobbles the place are the opening hours. No actions or movements before 0830, so it can never have any kind of real business activity (ie you cant fly to Denham or Southampton or anywhere for meetings unless they are 1300hrs onwards.
The helicopter shuttles to other 'northern airports' are unlikely to gain traction. For Manchester business flights this would mean lifting twin pilot IFR (in Winter) over the Peak with a lift time around 05:30 local. If the place does not open till 0830 all outbound will miss the business flights.
I wonder which 'consultants' advised on that study ...
