MATZ transit
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I like it bose-x and FD 
More than an element of truth in what you say.
And for the above. If the FI has done there PPL in Florida there hour building in Florida and their CPL over there. IR in UK you won't go near one. The first time they have heard f one is there RT test and then next time will be a lesson.
Anyway as the goverment seems determined that they are going to shut down the RAF there should me alot fewer MATZ in the future. Unfortunatly this will mean alot few LARS as well.
MJ
More than an element of truth in what you say.
And for the above. If the FI has done there PPL in Florida there hour building in Florida and their CPL over there. IR in UK you won't go near one. The first time they have heard f one is there RT test and then next time will be a lesson.
Anyway as the goverment seems determined that they are going to shut down the RAF there should me alot fewer MATZ in the future. Unfortunatly this will mean alot few LARS as well.
MJ
Last edited by mad_jock; 30th July 2004 at 22:12.
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From: 59°45'36N 10°27'59E
One small point from a controller: Get your air force proper ATC like the rest of the wold, and get one set of rules for everybody.
Works everywhere else.
Would make things a lot easier, don't you think?
Works everywhere else.
Would make things a lot easier, don't you think?
The Original Whirly
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From: Belper, Derbyshire, UK
If the FI has done there PPL in Florida there hour building in Florida and their CPL over there. IR in UK you won't go near one. The first time they have heard f one is there RT test and then next time will be a lesson
FIs are expected to know everything. They don't. They should know the basics. But what is considered basic depends on where you trained and what sort of flying you do. However, they should at least know where to direct the student for the information. "I don't know" or "I think it's..." are not good enough. "I'm not sure, but go get a copy of LASORS from over there and we'll look it up together", not only gives the student the answer, but teaches him/her how to find his own answers. It also shows them that to be a pilot you don't need a superhuman memory, just know where to find the information you need.
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From: 75N 16E
A chap I knew came over from New Zealand and did his CPL here, and said he'd never been through a MATZ
Anyway, you can always go above the MATZ.....
EA
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From: Cambridge, England, EU
Anyway, you can always go above the MATZ.....
Thread Starter
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From: uk
Guys thanks for all the replies advice,Yes the real reason i posted this was the FIs advice that didnt seem to answer my question!!!I am planning a flight up to norfolk and because of the military bases I wanted to be 100% sure as to what the transit clearence gave me
cheers
cheers
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From: He's on the limb to nowhere
Oh, here we go again. A 'My training is better than your training' thread.
I could make a fancy JAA instructor look pretty stupid in US airspace if I was nasty enough to do so, and I am sure a JAA person could make a fancy FAA instructor look pretty stupid in Euroland too. At least the FAA instructor is almost guaranteed to have an IR. If you ever get to listen to Approach control at a US Class B airport you will hear JAA trained Virgin and JAA trained British Airways pilots making radio transmissions which are as sloppy (and safe) as their American colleagues.
Just be aware that a 250 hour instructor in both regimes really is a kid and has a lot to learn, and by the time he reaches 1250 hours, he still has a lot to learn too! Whirlybird has it right, a good instructor will get the book out and look it up with the student, no harm in admitting you don't know everything and no shame in asking for help either., no matter how many hours you have.
I could make a fancy JAA instructor look pretty stupid in US airspace if I was nasty enough to do so, and I am sure a JAA person could make a fancy FAA instructor look pretty stupid in Euroland too. At least the FAA instructor is almost guaranteed to have an IR. If you ever get to listen to Approach control at a US Class B airport you will hear JAA trained Virgin and JAA trained British Airways pilots making radio transmissions which are as sloppy (and safe) as their American colleagues.
Just be aware that a 250 hour instructor in both regimes really is a kid and has a lot to learn, and by the time he reaches 1250 hours, he still has a lot to learn too! Whirlybird has it right, a good instructor will get the book out and look it up with the student, no harm in admitting you don't know everything and no shame in asking for help either., no matter how many hours you have.
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From: Oxford
Bellend - if you mean Lakenheath/Mildenhall be aware that the controllers are American. Although they attempt to follow standard UK MATZ/radar service procedures they sometimes lapse into the American way of doing things.
One oddity: they always give you a squawk BEFORE asking you to mess your passage...
Tim
One oddity: they always give you a squawk BEFORE asking you to mess your passage...
Tim
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From: Somewhere in England!
Ham
Although the Reds may be operating in EG R313 at week-ends it is only officially active if a NOTAM is sent to that effect. Operating hours EG R313 Mon-Fri 0830-1700 (times local).
Regards
Pie
Point of order regarding Scampton. Anyone who thinks that Scampton R313 is inactive at weekends
Regards
Pie
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From: uk
A few weeks ago I was approaching Benson MATZ on a Sunday. I made the standard three calls for MATZ transit with no reply so assumed that they were closed.
A few minutes later, on the same frequency, I heard what sounded like an exec. jet being cleared onto the ILS at Benson.
I called again and still got no answer and began to suspect my radio. Tried on Box 2 and still got no response. The radios worked perfectly for the rest of the day.
It seems very odd to me that they showed no interest in what I was doing when they were expecting IFR traffic.
I actually played safe and climbed above the MATZ although it involved going a lot higher to remain clear of cloud.
A few minutes later, on the same frequency, I heard what sounded like an exec. jet being cleared onto the ILS at Benson.
I called again and still got no answer and began to suspect my radio. Tried on Box 2 and still got no response. The radios worked perfectly for the rest of the day.
It seems very odd to me that they showed no interest in what I was doing when they were expecting IFR traffic.
I actually played safe and climbed above the MATZ although it involved going a lot higher to remain clear of cloud.
