What is it about landing on grass?
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If it's a busy mixed traffic airport you use regularly, that might not be the smartest of ideas, given that ATC decide the priority for taxi and a myriad of other things ... and they also remember voices pretty well in my experience
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If you cause a go around, especially if its commercial traffic, someone might just get the hump about that.
I'm not a heavy brake user, generally, but surely a degree of common sense and reasonableness comes into this - if one decides to land at an ATC airport, one should generally follow the clearances unless there is a compleeing reason not to.
BTW, I have paid for my own as well as renting.
If it's a busy mixed traffic airport you use regularly, that might not be the smartest of ideas, given that ATC decide the priority for taxi and a myriad of other things ... and they also remember voices pretty well in my experience
.If you cause a go around, especially if its commercial traffic, someone might just get the hump about that.
I'm not a heavy brake user, generally, but surely a degree of common sense and reasonableness comes into this - if one decides to land at an ATC airport, one should generally follow the clearances unless there is a compleeing reason not to.
BTW, I have paid for my own as well as renting.
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I was only trying to get a point accross about brakes. (wind up)
I think you will find I will always try to help out ATC, and will land long or short and will use barkes if necessary.
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I think you will find I will always try to help out ATC, and will land long or short and will use barkes if necessary.
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It is good to call "Vacated" to if you think it maybe difficult to for the tower or the following a/c to determine.
However, I know I have done a well judged landing if I hardly need to touch the brakes and get off at the first exit at Blackbushe
Mind you, not using the brakes on an AA5 isn't really an option seeing as it is the only way to steer. The right brake needs to be ridden lightly for a few seconds to keep it straight on take-off too.
However, I know I have done a well judged landing if I hardly need to touch the brakes and get off at the first exit at Blackbushe
Mind you, not using the brakes on an AA5 isn't really an option seeing as it is the only way to steer. The right brake needs to be ridden lightly for a few seconds to keep it straight on take-off too.
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HWD,
I hope you dont mind me giving you a tip about take off in an AA5.
As they are not the type to just leap into the air any use of brakes will prolong the t/o run.
Just start on the left of the runway, point the aircraft slightly to the right of centerline (only if your on a wide runway) and you will have rudder control by the time you are pointing down the runway. This can also be used also it there is a crosswind from your left, just point a bit further to the right
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I hope you dont mind me giving you a tip about take off in an AA5.
As they are not the type to just leap into the air any use of brakes will prolong the t/o run.
Just start on the left of the runway, point the aircraft slightly to the right of centerline (only if your on a wide runway) and you will have rudder control by the time you are pointing down the runway. This can also be used also it there is a crosswind from your left, just point a bit further to the right
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Just start on the left of the runway, point the aircraft slightly to the right of centerline (only if your on a wide runway) and you will have rudder control by the time you are pointing down the runway.
I'll give it a go next flight. I fly from Blackbushe so plenty wide enough.One of the guys in the share demonstrated how to start the take-off run from a perpendicular hold. He just opened the throttle to full and as well as accelerating did a sharp left and off went went! Not brave enough to try that yet
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What I can't understand is why grass is perceived as so much more difficult. Given sufficient length (I trained and until recently did most of my flying from Netherthorpe, so I know all about short uphill runways!) I find grass so much easier to grease on to. If I'm taking pax who I want to impress (not that I ever would do so for such reasons, you understand) I would always choose grass to land on.
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Do we all have to explain when were are winding people up or taking the piss?
Ther point is many pilots use the brakes too much.
If they all paid for fixing them they would think more (as you do with everything when you own it)
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Ther point is many pilots use the brakes too much.
If they all paid for fixing them they would think more (as you do with everything when you own it)
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one thing i dont think any of u have mentioned 'on grass' is the mud it can throw up.
the day after i flew an aztec into agrass airfield i was flying a charter in an aztec when the pax behind me tapped me on the shoulder and said.
"look at that fuel pissing out of the wing"
the tank vent had been blocked up from the mud on the grass the day bfore. also i have known of similar pitot/static problems caused by mud as well as u/c probs.
in regard to commercial ops with large transports flying behind you. its the following pilots duty to ensure adequate spacing once he has visual contact. expedite clearing a runway dosnt nesecarrily mean speed up, its a warning there is an a/c behind you. surely you should always expedite the clearance of an active runway as a point of airmanship.
ps greasers on grass runway!!! have you never landed on a wet runway
the day after i flew an aztec into agrass airfield i was flying a charter in an aztec when the pax behind me tapped me on the shoulder and said.
"look at that fuel pissing out of the wing"
the tank vent had been blocked up from the mud on the grass the day bfore. also i have known of similar pitot/static problems caused by mud as well as u/c probs.
in regard to commercial ops with large transports flying behind you. its the following pilots duty to ensure adequate spacing once he has visual contact. expedite clearing a runway dosnt nesecarrily mean speed up, its a warning there is an a/c behind you. surely you should always expedite the clearance of an active runway as a point of airmanship.
ps greasers on grass runway!!! have you never landed on a wet runway
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in regard to commercial ops with large transports flying behind you. its the following pilots duty to ensure adequate spacing once he has visual contact. expedite clearing a runway dosnt nesecarrily mean speed up, its a warning there is an a/c behind you. surely you should always expedite the clearance of an active runway as a point of airmanship
On the other hand, if someone is closely behind, one can brake sensibly and exit via the first safe & available exit.
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Wow - I thought this was going to be a jokey thread when I saw the title...
I learnt at Redhill. Only rwys available are grass. Ignoring the problems with drainage etc. I have always found grass to be a much easier surface than tarmac. A x/wind landing (crab, or wheel down) is less likely to rip the legs off on a slippy surface than a sticky one, surely?
I was always taught to be very ginger with the lowering of the nosewheel due to the bumpiness of the surface, but this is a good lesson any surface, given the likelihood of a good nosewheel shimmy on tarmac, isn't it?
I also witnessed a Citation come into and out of Redhill for some avionics work once. Just after the grass had been cut.
I was a little concerned at the amount of the loose green stuff covering the nose and cowlings but the two pilots seemed very calm about the whole issue.
Aside from a couple of nasty skids (wheels, not undergarments) during training on the damp green stuff, I reckon grass if nice and forgiving for suitable a/c (I'm sure there are UNsuitable a/c). Why tell students not to do it?
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I learnt at Redhill. Only rwys available are grass. Ignoring the problems with drainage etc. I have always found grass to be a much easier surface than tarmac. A x/wind landing (crab, or wheel down) is less likely to rip the legs off on a slippy surface than a sticky one, surely?
I was always taught to be very ginger with the lowering of the nosewheel due to the bumpiness of the surface, but this is a good lesson any surface, given the likelihood of a good nosewheel shimmy on tarmac, isn't it?
I also witnessed a Citation come into and out of Redhill for some avionics work once. Just after the grass had been cut.
I was a little concerned at the amount of the loose green stuff covering the nose and cowlings but the two pilots seemed very calm about the whole issue.
Aside from a couple of nasty skids (wheels, not undergarments) during training on the damp green stuff, I reckon grass if nice and forgiving for suitable a/c (I'm sure there are UNsuitable a/c). Why tell students not to do it?
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sorry yes i agree , i was thinking of the case of airmanship habit were you just expedite anyway.
at some airfields you never know who is behind you! esp if they are non radio
sorry yes i agree , i was thinking of the case of airmanship habit were you just expedite anyway.
at some airfields you never know who is behind you! esp if they are non radio
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FNG:
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Mouth Breathing! Love it! Do you mind if I steal that one off you? My colleagues and I have always referred to our pax as the "great unwashed".
"mounth-breathing big brother viewers"
Mouth Breathing! Love it! Do you mind if I steal that one off you? My colleagues and I have always referred to our pax as the "great unwashed".
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Be my guest, Ojuka! The punters can also be referred to as "people who need help cutting up their food".
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