Please can the uninvited just bu**er off
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I have to agree with High Wing Drifter, in that it’s amazing how flying down a beach (and having to take avoiding action to avoid a kite), is somehow worse than flying an approach into a private strip. It smacks of one rule for me, and one for you.
It was funny, but reading this thread reminded me so much of the example that I gave to explain my point, on that low flying thread.
Having said that I was totally against the low flying mentioned in the previous thread, and I would be totally against anyone flying into any strip without getting PPR. It is just wrong in every sense. It is downright rude, extremely inconsiderate of the strip owner, and possibly upsetting to the neighbours.
On top of that it is dangerous. What if due to recent weather, the touch down point was water logged, but this may not be evident from the air? What if the strip was being closed indefinitely and the owner had put up a small fence to keep stock in/out? What if there was a small trench dug in the middle of the strip, where the owner was trying to improve drainage? It would be unlikely to be seen from the air. Also if they don’t know the length of the strip, how can they be sure it’s within the aircraft’s limits (I’m assuming it’s a short strip).
It’s just wrong in every sense. And you have my sympathy.
You could try clamping them! At least until they paid their £200 landing fee
DP
It was funny, but reading this thread reminded me so much of the example that I gave to explain my point, on that low flying thread.
Having said that I was totally against the low flying mentioned in the previous thread, and I would be totally against anyone flying into any strip without getting PPR. It is just wrong in every sense. It is downright rude, extremely inconsiderate of the strip owner, and possibly upsetting to the neighbours.
On top of that it is dangerous. What if due to recent weather, the touch down point was water logged, but this may not be evident from the air? What if the strip was being closed indefinitely and the owner had put up a small fence to keep stock in/out? What if there was a small trench dug in the middle of the strip, where the owner was trying to improve drainage? It would be unlikely to be seen from the air. Also if they don’t know the length of the strip, how can they be sure it’s within the aircraft’s limits (I’m assuming it’s a short strip).
It’s just wrong in every sense. And you have my sympathy.
You could try clamping them! At least until they paid their £200 landing fee
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On the westerly approach to my strip I have two large trees (over 50') about 100M from the 27 fence. they are about 70' apart and in calm winds I fly between them like this and when the wind is strong I fly over them.
Most visiting pilots would like to see them cut down. I tell them "I like trees". I would like to cut them down but they really do prevent unwelcome visitors who dont know the strip.
My other problem is the Army and RAF helicopters using it in the middle of the night to pick up little green men who stand and smoke beside parked aircraft.
Perhaps I should charge the MOD for landing.
Most visiting pilots would like to see them cut down. I tell them "I like trees". I would like to cut them down but they really do prevent unwelcome visitors who dont know the strip.
My other problem is the Army and RAF helicopters using it in the middle of the night to pick up little green men who stand and smoke beside parked aircraft.
Perhaps I should charge the MOD for landing.
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I'm intrigued as to whether this level of support would be offered to a non-pilot farmer who had observed aircraft flying PFLs to his large, flat field during the day.
Should he invoice them £50 for low approaches? Should he take photos and start a "name and shame" WWW-site?
(My devil's advocacy stops at the point where their wheels touch the grass, of course.)
Apparently, according to another thread, Robert Key is a NIMBY when he makes similar complaints on behalf of his constituents:
intolerance like this voiced by those who are supposed to represent a democratic and tolerant society
Should he invoice them £50 for low approaches? Should he take photos and start a "name and shame" WWW-site?
(My devil's advocacy stops at the point where their wheels touch the grass, of course.
)Apparently, according to another thread, Robert Key is a NIMBY when he makes similar complaints on behalf of his constituents:
intolerance like this voiced by those who are supposed to represent a democratic and tolerant society
Bookworm.
As you've chosen to quote part of my post regarding Mr Key, I suppose I'd better reply. Firstly you take the quote out of context. My understanding is that Robert Key is not complaining about specific airfields but any en-route aircraft overflying the residents of his constituency. Now, let's get back to this topic. Would I feel that a farmer who suffered constant PFL practice to one of his fields had a right to complain strongly? Yes. I certainly would. Do I feel that pilots who make approaches to private strips are wrong? Yes, I very certainly do for all the reasons already stated by other pilots here. What do I think is missing from the actions of pilots who do make such approaches? AIRMANSHIP! That strange intangible thing that goes beyond just reading rules and complying with them by rote. I'd say that most of the pilots posting here in support of strip owners/operators would think beyond wether it was legal to shoot approaches into someone else's private strip and use something that appears to be slipping slowly out of sight these days. Consideration.
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As you've chosen to quote part of my post regarding Mr Key, I suppose I'd better reply. Firstly you take the quote out of context. My understanding is that Robert Key is not complaining about specific airfields but any en-route aircraft overflying the residents of his constituency. Now, let's get back to this topic. Would I feel that a farmer who suffered constant PFL practice to one of his fields had a right to complain strongly? Yes. I certainly would. Do I feel that pilots who make approaches to private strips are wrong? Yes, I very certainly do for all the reasons already stated by other pilots here. What do I think is missing from the actions of pilots who do make such approaches? AIRMANSHIP! That strange intangible thing that goes beyond just reading rules and complying with them by rote. I'd say that most of the pilots posting here in support of strip owners/operators would think beyond wether it was legal to shoot approaches into someone else's private strip and use something that appears to be slipping slowly out of sight these days. Consideration.
Spiney
I'm intrigued as to whether this level of support would be offered to a non-pilot farmer who had observed aircraft flying PFLs to his large, flat field during the day.
Should he invoice them £50 for low approaches? Should he take photos and start a "name and shame" WWW-site?
Should he invoice them £50 for low approaches? Should he take photos and start a "name and shame" WWW-site?
Incidentally, presumably the main reason for noise over Mr Key's Salisbury constituency is the channelling of aircraft around three local employers - Boscombe Down, Porton Down and the Salisbury Plain training area, over Salisbury, Wilton and the surrounding villages. I'd have thought that if he tapped the minister for defence on the shoulder and persuaded him to arrange a reduction in the restricted airspace around all three he'd win votes from Nimbys and aviators alike without, (and I speak as somebody who has worked at Boscombe, flown out of Old Sarum, and lived in the middle of SPTA) any real restriction on the operations of anybody.
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Most of us who operate private strips have an understanding with the people who live close by. we do not want to upset them in any way. Most people are interested in or curious about aircraft and do not mind us flying close to their homes from time to time.
You will also find that most pilots who fly from strips DO NOT DO CIRCUITS, we take off and go away then come back usually at a low power setting and land without ever being heard.
That way we stay out of trouble and we don't want others messing up years of hard work by being a prat.
If they fly close to other land they do risk being reported but at least they do not jeopardise the future of an airstrip
Tony
You will also find that most pilots who fly from strips DO NOT DO CIRCUITS, we take off and go away then come back usually at a low power setting and land without ever being heard.
That way we stay out of trouble and we don't want others messing up years of hard work by being a prat.
If they fly close to other land they do risk being reported but at least they do not jeopardise the future of an airstrip
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Zlin 526 - quote:
Maybe we could all come round unannounced one night and sit on YOUR sofa, watch YOUR TV, give YOUR wife 'a leetle snog' and drink YOUR beer?
Just being Devils advocate, you understand....
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Please come round our strip anytime. It's H24 with full CAT 111 ILS. You make an app - we charge
Sorry you folk missed the point of my comments -ENTIRELY
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I don't suppose this is retaliation for my comments on an earlier thread regarding the habits of plane-spotters???
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No, not at all, photography is a hobby - you comment all you like, however, one day, bovine creatures might fly - watch this space
Maybe we could all come round unannounced one night and sit on YOUR sofa, watch YOUR TV, give YOUR wife 'a leetle snog' and drink YOUR beer?
Just being Devils advocate, you understand....
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Please come round our strip anytime. It's H24 with full CAT 111 ILS. You make an app - we charge
Sorry you folk missed the point of my comments -ENTIRELY
Monocock quoted:
I don't suppose this is retaliation for my comments on an earlier thread regarding the habits of plane-spotters???
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No, not at all, photography is a hobby - you comment all you like, however, one day, bovine creatures might fly - watch this space
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Come on, let's not let it all flare up again shall we? I was hoping this thread would drop of the board. I don't have a personal problem with your hobby sharpshot, I suppose at the time I posted it I was annoyed by the spotter bloke who was so damn rude at the fly-in once. I'll get over it I'm sure!
While I'm here, can anyone tell me why a radio controlled wall clock I have been sent by a supplier is showing exactly an hour fast..........
I have let it re-calibrate itself twice now and it stills goes to BST+1!
While I'm here, can anyone tell me why a radio controlled wall clock I have been sent by a supplier is showing exactly an hour fast..........
I have let it re-calibrate itself twice now and it stills goes to BST+1!
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Probably are sometime a Chipmunk and Jodel - but you know where I am and you wont get your CD of pictures if you complain :-)
You also know a barn to practice the routine over if I don't get the message.
Whilst I don't own the ex wartime airfield at the bottom of my garden I do know the people who operate from there and they are all aware of the need to reduce noise for the locals (well actually except one who insists on extensive power checks at 6.00 in the morning but I will leave that for now). There are an increasing number of PA38s and PA28s plus some C172s who have decided that this piece of land is suitable for noisy low approach and go round practice. This creates considerable noise in the vicinity of my abode. I happen to like aircraft (though prefer the Mustang from the strip next door). Other residents close by might not take the same view. I suspect the residents of the airfield also take a dim view.
I always thought the point of a PFL was to simulate a possible real life scenario. Presumable the relevant instructors believe that when an engine does stop a farm strip or ex wartime runway will appear from nowhere?
Probably are sometime a Chipmunk and Jodel - but you know where I am and you wont get your CD of pictures if you complain :-)
You also know a barn to practice the routine over if I don't get the message.
Whilst I don't own the ex wartime airfield at the bottom of my garden I do know the people who operate from there and they are all aware of the need to reduce noise for the locals (well actually except one who insists on extensive power checks at 6.00 in the morning but I will leave that for now). There are an increasing number of PA38s and PA28s plus some C172s who have decided that this piece of land is suitable for noisy low approach and go round practice. This creates considerable noise in the vicinity of my abode. I happen to like aircraft (though prefer the Mustang from the strip next door). Other residents close by might not take the same view. I suspect the residents of the airfield also take a dim view.
I always thought the point of a PFL was to simulate a possible real life scenario. Presumable the relevant instructors believe that when an engine does stop a farm strip or ex wartime runway will appear from nowhere?
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Monocock,
Looks like your clock is designed to synchronise with the German time signal rather than the UK one (broadcast from Rugby). Sadly there is probably nothing that you can about this....
Looks like your clock is designed to synchronise with the German time signal rather than the UK one (broadcast from Rugby). Sadly there is probably nothing that you can about this....
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One would expect the manual to allude to the correct setting procedure, have you tried reading it?
Have a great weekend chaps, I'm off for a great trip now
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Err no, I put it in the bin and I cant find it now
I also a Funkuhr having am. It to German time synchroniert ist, weil zer time signal ist from near Frankfurt sent being. Aber es ist moeglich, viz ein bit of tveeking, to make it Englander time display....
Re. your uninvited guests, I once knew a chum whose family was lucky enough to have inherited rather a nice stately pile. One day some grockle decided to drive his car up the drive, then park on his lawn and have a picnic. Chum's dad (dressed in typical moth-eaten cardigan, cords and brogues - typical Harry Stowe-Cratt informal rig) ambled past and said something like "A'ernoon, zorr. Noice day, baint'it", then strolled on.
Some weeks passed. Chum's dad had a mate who was the top local plod. Managed a PNC check of the grockle's car, found out where he lived. So a couple of days later, grockle was astonished when a Silver Shadow rolled up outside his council house. Out came chum's dad, wife, friends, picnic table, chairs, double damask, silver cutlery, champagne flutes, ice buckets, hampers of grub.... "Ere. Wot the f*** are you lot doin'" shrieked grockle.
"Well, you came and had a picnic on my property - I'm merely returning the favour. Surely you don't have any objection?" was the reply!
Sorry to hear of your recent event with that delightful taildragger. Hope that all will be OK soon - you have 'got back on the horse' since, I hope?
Re. your uninvited guests, I once knew a chum whose family was lucky enough to have inherited rather a nice stately pile. One day some grockle decided to drive his car up the drive, then park on his lawn and have a picnic. Chum's dad (dressed in typical moth-eaten cardigan, cords and brogues - typical Harry Stowe-Cratt informal rig) ambled past and said something like "A'ernoon, zorr. Noice day, baint'it", then strolled on.
Some weeks passed. Chum's dad had a mate who was the top local plod. Managed a PNC check of the grockle's car, found out where he lived. So a couple of days later, grockle was astonished when a Silver Shadow rolled up outside his council house. Out came chum's dad, wife, friends, picnic table, chairs, double damask, silver cutlery, champagne flutes, ice buckets, hampers of grub.... "Ere. Wot the f*** are you lot doin'" shrieked grockle.
"Well, you came and had a picnic on my property - I'm merely returning the favour. Surely you don't have any objection?" was the reply!
Sorry to hear of your recent event with that delightful taildragger. Hope that all will be OK soon - you have 'got back on the horse' since, I hope?
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