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I always taught and demonstrated practice pans on 121.5 to my students (I also insisted that they declared themselves as "LOST" not "temporarily uncertain of position" what a mouthful and frankly a load of b****x). Shortly after going over the procedure with a colleague's student, I had the pleasure of hearing that student using it for real on a solo nav. As you'd expect D&D handled it with utmost professionalism and I listened in while teaching practice autorotations to my student. Also listening in was the local police unit who I could see hovering nearby and offered his assistance. Eventually the lost pilot reported visual with the destination. At this point the police unit piped up, reporting that he thought he was visual with the lost aircraft, and that he couldn't be visual - the airfield was behind him. D&D asked the lost pilot to confirm he was visual with the airfield, which he did and requested change to XXXX. I could not resist telling the police pilot (on 121.5) that I believed he was looking at me. I did however restrain from asking why he thought that a lost pilot would be doing practice autorotations.
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A great thread, and proof - it was needed - of just how valuable D&D can be.
I’ve also had the benefit of visiting them, and was truly impressed at the level of service they can provide. I can only reiterate what others have said – they really do want you to call before you have a real problem, or even just for the practise (for them as well as you). I’ve called them several times, and they are unfailingly helpful and professional.
And on the subject of overload, I’ve also managed to get slightly lost, misidentifying South Woodham for Wickford on a day when I went off in marginal VMC (P/UT thankfully) to look for trouble. Although I quickly realised and corrected the error, I was amazed how quickly the workload built up while I tried to work out where I’d gone wrong (even to the point of telling the instructor to shut up and stand by while I sorted it out!).
Single pilot, low hours, especially in iffy wx, it’s extremely reassuring to know how much help is available at the press of a button.
I’ve also had the benefit of visiting them, and was truly impressed at the level of service they can provide. I can only reiterate what others have said – they really do want you to call before you have a real problem, or even just for the practise (for them as well as you). I’ve called them several times, and they are unfailingly helpful and professional.
And on the subject of overload, I’ve also managed to get slightly lost, misidentifying South Woodham for Wickford on a day when I went off in marginal VMC (P/UT thankfully) to look for trouble. Although I quickly realised and corrected the error, I was amazed how quickly the workload built up while I tried to work out where I’d gone wrong (even to the point of telling the instructor to shut up and stand by while I sorted it out!).
Single pilot, low hours, especially in iffy wx, it’s extremely reassuring to know how much help is available at the press of a button.
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This is always a good subject to discuss at pilot meetings, I'm LOST, Now What Do I DO?
There is VOR orientation, Radar Identification, Land Mark Recognition, DF (where it is still available). The important thing is to recognize the problem before it becomes an emergency.
As a pilot once told me, I have GPS, RNAV, VOR, and 2 radios, and I thought that I would never have a problem with becoming lost. Well one day all that fancy equipment deceided to quit working, and somehow I became lost, thanks to ATC everything worked out fine.
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There is VOR orientation, Radar Identification, Land Mark Recognition, DF (where it is still available). The important thing is to recognize the problem before it becomes an emergency.
As a pilot once told me, I have GPS, RNAV, VOR, and 2 radios, and I thought that I would never have a problem with becoming lost. Well one day all that fancy equipment deceided to quit working, and somehow I became lost, thanks to ATC everything worked out fine.
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On the subject of overload...
Human factors in the world of light aviation is generally glossed over as a bit of a nuisance (pass the exam and move on, old chap) but it's really quite important (!) - it forms a huge part of what we study at work. Each person behaves rather differently under pressure (some thrive, some shut down etc etc)
I've been developing a concept of useful light aviation 'CRM' - for want of a better phrase - and iI feel that some of you here on Pprune might be able to help.
Using a light aircraft simulator I would like to get some volunteers together to fly an unseen scenario. I would make it non-technical (no engine failures etc so you needn't be multi rated - just proficent at instrument flying) but the 'student' would need to plan the 'flight'. Ideally I would need a controller too (for added realism). Each student would be fully briefed; would need to agree to be videoed; have heart rate monitored, too. I would love it to be full VFR but I don't know of a simulator that's good enough.
The plan would be to put a video together that really speaks to the light aviation community and maybe even make a presentation roadshow.
Sim time would cost a little but I would be prepared to pay for it so long as we get a few donations to charity.
Anyone interested????
Human factors in the world of light aviation is generally glossed over as a bit of a nuisance (pass the exam and move on, old chap) but it's really quite important (!) - it forms a huge part of what we study at work. Each person behaves rather differently under pressure (some thrive, some shut down etc etc)
I've been developing a concept of useful light aviation 'CRM' - for want of a better phrase - and iI feel that some of you here on Pprune might be able to help.
Using a light aircraft simulator I would like to get some volunteers together to fly an unseen scenario. I would make it non-technical (no engine failures etc so you needn't be multi rated - just proficent at instrument flying) but the 'student' would need to plan the 'flight'. Ideally I would need a controller too (for added realism). Each student would be fully briefed; would need to agree to be videoed; have heart rate monitored, too. I would love it to be full VFR but I don't know of a simulator that's good enough.
The plan would be to put a video together that really speaks to the light aviation community and maybe even make a presentation roadshow.
Sim time would cost a little but I would be prepared to pay for it so long as we get a few donations to charity.
Anyone interested????
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That sounds very interesting, provided it is done with a defined purposes with properly skilled experimenter to set useful "tests" and get results that would be of value, rather than just messing in a sim. I'd be up for that.
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Hi,
Sounds liek a great idea.
I understand money is tight, but would there not be an argument to do a number of varibles too.
maybe:
a) Someone with a lapsed lincence, revalidates on a couple of hours and then off they go.
b) A regular couple of hours week bod
c) A regular couple of hours a month bod
d) Somone who only flies the minimum requirments.
I know there are a near infinate number of variables, but this would over come a number of "but if"s.
I would be intrested in taking part.
FW
Sounds liek a great idea.
I understand money is tight, but would there not be an argument to do a number of varibles too.
maybe:
a) Someone with a lapsed lincence, revalidates on a couple of hours and then off they go.
b) A regular couple of hours week bod
c) A regular couple of hours a month bod
d) Somone who only flies the minimum requirments.
I know there are a near infinate number of variables, but this would over come a number of "but if"s.
I would be intrested in taking part.
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M14P,
For SIM time, try talking to any of the local universities that have aviation programs, I would be surprised if they wouldn't be willing to provide FREE SIM time. If this isn't an option try contacting some of the airlines, this would generate good press for them.
Mike
For SIM time, try talking to any of the local universities that have aviation programs, I would be surprised if they wouldn't be willing to provide FREE SIM time. If this isn't an option try contacting some of the airlines, this would generate good press for them.
Mike
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Thanks Mike
I will try a few Universities (my wife was a Psych Grad at the Uni up the road so that might help) but I'm not sure that any Unis here have access to the light AC sims that I seek.
I already have access to a number of sims through my employer but all of them are heavy jets. Not really in my target market but I am exploring possibilities...
Any more takers? IMC/IR rated pilots will be first to be considered.
I will try a few Universities (my wife was a Psych Grad at the Uni up the road so that might help) but I'm not sure that any Unis here have access to the light AC sims that I seek.
I already have access to a number of sims through my employer but all of them are heavy jets. Not really in my target market but I am exploring possibilities...
Any more takers? IMC/IR rated pilots will be first to be considered.
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Do the RAF's 7/8-figure-priced planes really get lost?
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D&D don't just deal with aircraft being lost. When I was visiting D&D there was a real emergency whilst we were there. A Tornado in the York AIAA had taken a birdstrike and the pilot was concerned whether damage had been sustained. A Hawk in the vicinity was vectored to the Tornado to visually inspect it. The Tornado pilot elected to recover to Leeming since it was closest and the D&D provided navigational assistance and coordinated with the Leeming Approach controller for priority and crash support. The aircraft landed safely with no landing damage.
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Do the RAF's 7/8-figure-priced planes really get lost?
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D&D don't just deal with aircraft being lost. When I was visiting D&D there was a real emergency whilst we were there. A Tornado in the York AIAA had taken a birdstrike and the pilot was concerned whether damage had been sustained. A Hawk in the vicinity was vectored to the Tornado to visually inspect it. The Tornado pilot elected to recover to Leeming since it was closest and the D&D provided navigational assistance and coordinated with the Leeming Approach controller for priority and crash support. The aircraft landed safely with no landing damage.
