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I hope you lot don't drag this thread down to the level of that thread.
Posters on both sides of that discussion are no better than each other and many of them don't even work for BA!!!! I really hope that those kinds of discussions can be left there please and not brought over to Pprune. |
Well said Bg.....:ok:
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Well said BG.
CabinCrew.com: BASSA militant exposed! It's a dreadful little site and if it only gives a smidge of the level of debate typical on other fora, it's no wonder this dispute (which isn't really a dispute as there's no coherent resolution being argued for) has dragged on so long, and will continue to do so. |
VK,
Don't you think by posting that link YOU are bringing that over here. I expect that some of the contributors are posters on here anyway but please if you want to debate all this gutter stuff please don't do it here because it has little to do with the dispute except to show what nasty people exist on both sides. We all know that in human nature you always get some people that take things to there lowest level (on both sides it appears) but here on pprune we don't need to go that low. Why not set up another thread to discuss all this or go and post over on that actual site if it is of interest to you. |
Sorry BG, I don't agree wth you. The level of debate on here is invariably conducted in an adult manner with the exception of the rare BASSA supporter.
All the unpleasant invective comes from one side only. |
BG has a valid point. Posting the link once was perhaps reasonable, though questionable in my opinion. Repeating the link seems to suggest that the original post did not engender enough "chatter" and indignation. We all know that the level of debate on some other forums is not as reasoned and courteous as it might be - there is no news in that. Demonstrating that some posters in different places are not "playing nicely" and then inviting comment upon that does not really do anything except provide a potential start point for a Daily Mailesque indignation bus.
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gr8ballsoffire,
You do always debate in a very good manner and I was not saying anyone on here dose not in general debate well. If you have read that link and the subject they are discussing, you will surely see why I was suggesting it not be brought over here. With that I will leave you because I myself have actually started to talk about it and I really don't want to. P.S. Just to clarify I was not talking about the link to 5 Live which is very relevant but the link to another Forum and a particular thread there. |
Fair point about the link.
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I am indignant about the price of bus tickets.
angrily yours mrpony tunbridge wells |
I am indignant about the lack of Reward Seats on the BA flights that keep happening during pseudo-strikes. Passengers are NOT being inconvenienced, which is a pretty poor show.
Bah ... and Werther's Originals. MPN11 Somewhere Else :cool: |
MPN 11
Have you been having early cocktails????
At present I'm listening to a replay of Victoria Derbyshire's broadcast from Tuesday morning. I think that she has come in for some very unfair criticism. She let all sides have their say & allowed the Bassa members to hoist themselves by their sheer blind stupidity.:ugh: |
OK.....Tightslot, why has my post been removed twice? There was nothing insulting in there.
Is someone getting special treatment? :eek: |
call100
Your right to protest is being kettled......
Get used to it! |
It was total stupidity when you read the posts that are ignored!!
Still awaiting an answer...:ugh: |
Strike or no strike. It'll only be a big joke that back fires in BASSAs direction. Why bother. such little disruption last time. Had a lovely flight on Astreaus, an excellent professional crew. They couldn't do enougth for me and my elderly nan. If only they could replace some of the services plagued by BASSA members this time. The rest of the BA workforce have moved on, time for BASSA to follow.
Want an effective strike?? Be a Spanish ATCO! |
The posts were removed by another (senior) moderator - at the time I was working back from Hong Kong to Heathrow. This happens from time to time, since my employer takes the view that I should occasionally perform some duties in order to justify the many millions of £'s that I am paid every month.
If you'll permit I'll use an analogy - this thread (and that in CC) is rather like cooking a casserole meal - we have to try and keep it edible (i.e. readable) and simmering but not boiling. Ingredients are added by contributors, but too much of one thing or another and the balance is lost. Some people chuck in a load of chilli peppers, others regularly add meat: Some simply stir the pot - you get the picture (sorry if this is a bit hard to follow, I'm rather jet-lagged at the moment and will be making another espresso shortly!). To preserve readability, posts that contribute little, or simply repeat, agree, or generally stir the pot will be deleted. If you choose to take offence, then that is up to you, but using the thread to express outrage is probably unwise. It is also probably unwise to suggest that mods are giving preferential treatment to one side or another. We are in the unenviable position of the police at a demo: Either too heavy handed or too lily-livered - nobody is ever satisfied with the activity. Therefore, in the words of our friends at the Met... "Move along now please - there's nothing to see here" Wow! From cookery to coppery in one post - I really need to go back to bed. |
Casseroling
Blimey, Litebulbs was right but underestimated the extent to which things are cooked up on here.
Wot's next.......roasting? |
TS
Apologies if it wasn't yourself, but, all well and good except that the post did not come into any category you have chosen to describe as outlawed. No outrage was expressed. There was nothing there to 'stir the pot'. Having re-read a few of the recent posts that have been left alone I do think it was a ridiculous move by the moderator who did it.... As it's his playground and he decided to be a bully it will stand as disappeared. As for some being afforded protection. I'll form my own judgement on that one. |
Call 100
The Mods here are not superhuman, they have the same talents, failings and prejudices as all of us. Someone coming fresh to the debate may have read something in your post that was not there or that you did not intend. I am afraid you will have to live with that. Mostly the Modding in these (two) threads has been excellent, but we will all have our own perspective of individual incidents.
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Ryanair Thanks Unite For Yet More BA Flight Disruptions
Source: Ryanair 29/03/2011 Ryanair today (29th Mar) delivered 18 red roses to UNITE bosses, to mark 18 months of British Airways strikes which have caused repeated disruption to BA’s passengers, who are now suffering more uncertainty after UNITE confirmed that more strikes are imminent, but refused to reveal which dates it will again plunge BA passengers into misery and chaos. Ryanair called on British holidaymakers to protect their precious Easter and summer breaks by snapping up one of Ryanair’s £8 fares and avoid the latest UNITE BA strikes, which could begin as early as next week. Clearly UNITE don’t care about passengers or their families. Ryanair’s Stephen McNamara said, “Ryanair is starting to really warm to the UNITE union, who continue to cause uncertainty for BA holidaymakers at peak times of the year and now, with their fourth set of strikes in less than 18 months, they will encourage even more BA passengers to switch to Ryanair’s low fare strike free flights this Easter and summer. We have sent UNITE 18 red roses to mark the 18 months of holiday misery and uncertainty they have inflicted on BA passengers and their families and we have placed these dinosaurs at the very top of our Christmas card list as we welcome their efforts to encourage BA passengers to switch to Ryanair’s strike free low fares services. We think UNITE is a wonderful, if sadly misguided and deluded, union.” RYANAIR’S STEPHEN MCNAMARA AND CABIN SUPERVISOR DARIA, SEND ‘WE LOVE UNITE’ ROSES TO UNION BOSSES TO THANK THEM FOR YET MORE BA STRIKES |
...a wonderful, if sadly misguided and deluded, union. How long will Unite put up with this growing embarrassment? |
The general indication from McCluskey is that he will wait until his membership call for change.
We could be waiting a while....but that's BASSA's problem, not BA's. |
I have to confess to not being a fan of the Ryanair product but this embarrassment of Unite is a classic.:ok: They've really cut down to size the union bully boys.
One question, are they bright enough to realise that the p*ss is being taken? |
Ryan's Roses
There is a much more subliminal but significant message in this caper, and that is that every time Unite/BASSA engage in industrial shenanigans with BA, the non-unionised Ryan (and probably other non-unionised Locos) is going to take every opportunity to take some of BA's business. What a strategic folly on Unite's part. So much for representing their members' best interests.
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Hipennine
Surely fear of losing business to competitors is one of the pressures that a strike applies to the employer? Strikes do cause risks for the members, this is one of them. |
One question, are they bright enough to realise that the p*ss is being taken? There will be tears before bedtime! |
Hi Frognal, welcome aboard.
Surely fear of losing business to competitors is one of the pressures that a strike applies to the employer? I am not pleased by this but I am pleased that BA has managed to realise that the managers of the last 30 years were wrong. They, however, are happily retired on pensions and beyond active criticism. |
Originally Posted by west lakes
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I'm sure within Unite's rules there is something about members bringing the union into disrepute!
:E:E:E |
@frognal
Surely fear of losing business to competitors is one of the pressures that a strike applies to the employer? |
Frognal,
I am well aware of the concept of applying economic pressure on the employer through loss of business to competitors - indeed this now seems to be DH's sole tactic. However, BA do not exist in a monopolistic world, and any uncertaintity created in customers mind will result in SH passengers being driven to use the likes of Ryan, which is vehemently anti-union, and many would say is leading the erosion of T+C's for all airline employees. In the end, this could result in compulsory redundancies in BA of Unite members if BA had to reduce SH capacity because of lost volume. That's not a risk of striking -it could be a very quick reality for some. How on earth does that benefit the members of BASSA, Unite, or any other UK union in air transport ? |
If you read my post 187, you'll see that bassa has already broken so many untie rules that they could be cast adrift..............However, that post says why they will not be cast adrift.
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Doesn't really say much.
FROM THE GENERAL SECRETARY Apr 1st, 2011 by admin TO ALL UNITE BA CABIN CREW Dear Colleagues First of all let me congratulate you all on the fantastic result of the latest industrial action ballot. You have sent the clearest possible message to British Airways management about your strength, unity and consistency of purpose. Thank you for the support you have shown your representatives and the union as a whole. Any mature management would now have to take notice and realise that there can be no possibility of a return to normality at the airline without an honourable negotiated peace. I hope that this possibility now exists. You will have heard from your reps and read in the press that informal discussions have taken place designed to restart that negotiating process. Negotiations themselves on the outstanding issues of substance will directly include your representatives, for the first time in over a year. There has been a welcome change in tone from BA at the top, and I hope to see that reflected in a changed approach in practice, at all levels of the company. Unfortunately, this is not yet the case, and crew continued to be subject to unjustified disciplinary sanction and to other petty harassments on a daily basis. This cannot be allowed to continue. I would hope to have a positive basis for a “ceasefire” from management within the next few days. Failing that, please be in no doubt that I will be consulting with your representatives over the form that industrial action that we will be asking you to take, on the basis of the clear mandate in your ballot. Of course, we all hope that the more positive mood will now be speedily built on and start to yield definite results. Either way, Unite’s commitment to securing for you an honourable conclusion to this dispute is firm and undiminished. Yours sincerely, Len McCluskey General Secretary |
Oh, well ... Unite and BA are [sort of] talking. No doubt that will lead to nothing, especially if "negotiations on the outstanding issues of substance will directly include your [BASSA] representatives".
So, in the almost certain scenario that BA will not lie down and be kicked by the 5,800 ... it would appear that the Unions will just have to put their members' money where the leadership's mouth is. Good luck: you'll need it. As to whether the travelling Public know or care, I have no doubt that some elements of the Meeja will make the expected noises. "DON"T PANIC" ... BA flies the vast majority of flights, regardless of IA by BASSA. I'm less worried about the threat of IA than I am about the weather at my intended destination later this month. :) |
Any mature management would now have to take notice and realise that there can be no possibility of a return to normality at the airline without an honourable negotiated peace.
That's exactly what BA don't want! |
I'm not sure which way this will pan out. With BASSA reps involved in negotiations will they adopt a more hardline stance than the UNITE reps or will the reality of negotiation bring a spot of reality to them? On reflection I think the likelihood of a strike just increased - not that it will do any good for them.
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Agree the above ... the un-necessary remark about "mature management" and the incorporation of BASSA reps [if that's the correct interpretation of McC's missive] suggests that there's little prospect of any meaningful negotiation.
So sad, so pointless ... and of course so expensive for the 'rank and file'. McC, DH, LM and others will as always be completely insulated from the personal consequences. |
I think that there will be a possibility of movement. If the negotiating team is made up of all parties, then all parties will have responsibility for the outcome and will be directly accountable to the membership for content.
It will be a negotiation and as negotiators they will all be reporting back at some point and the crewing levels will remain the same and MF will still be in existence. |
I'm not so sure the chances of a strike have increased as such. The elephant in the room is still the issue of whether any action would be protected.
The restarting of negotiations may be a positive step as long as BASSA and CC89 put aside their rivalries and we don't see a repeat of the two branches refusing to sit in the same room, turning up late, storming out of meetings etc. |
Negotiations themselves on the outstanding issues of substance will directly include your representatives, for the first time in over a year. If only those accounts can be got now - but that's another story. := |
Hipennine
You said That's not a risk of striking -it could be a very quick reality for some. How on earth does that benefit the members of BASSA, Unite, or any other UK union in air transport ? I respectfully suggest that your logic is a little out. If one votes for a strike, then one risks the consequences. The members need to take considered decisions and accept the responsibility of their decisions. |
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