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MPN11 22nd Jan 2011 16:31


Originally Posted by notlangley
I wonder if I might correct you._ Actually the number is 1557._ The extra 1003 were cabin crew who took early retirement (the package was called voluntary redundancy).

Indeed, not union resignations.
However the fact remains they have chosen to leave BA.

Chuchinchow 22nd Jan 2011 16:36


It's not BA, it's ICAG.

BA shares are no longer trading. Shares in the new company start trading on Monday.

I wonder how long the press will take to catch up.
A truly superb example of hair-splitting!

Shack37 22nd Jan 2011 16:46


A truly superb example of hair-splitting!
BA = BA
Iberia - Iberia
IAG = BA + Iberia

I'd say that was a pretty thick hair to split.

MPN11 22nd Jan 2011 16:47

Not an accusation that could ever be levelled at you, CCC ... I trust you're well?

Chuchinchow 22nd Jan 2011 16:51

Never better, thank you.

Just off to Fort Regent to get rid of some "excess baggage"!

BetterByBoat 22nd Jan 2011 17:21

If we are playing the pedantic game then I'm sorry NotLangley but this statement is 100% correct - "2560 members have left BASSA/Unite ..... ".

1557 have stayed with BA and another 1003 have left BA but they have all left BASSA \ Unite. :ok:

OK, enough pedantary - with membership down and if BG is correct in "assuming" that most of the non-voters didn't vote because they left the union then numbers are rapidly approaching de-recognition levels.

I think Richard sums it up well and sadly, judging by the postings by MissyM and Moderately Militant (2 x MMs - are they related?), they still seem totally vague and \ or confused in explaining what they are striking about. Lets hope they see sense sooner rather than later.

Richard228 22nd Jan 2011 17:26

notlangley
 

I wonder if I might correct you._ Actually the number is 1557._ The extra 1003 were cabin crew who took early retirement (the package was called voluntary redundancy).
My post is correct.

ballot 14/12/2009 = 12780 members
ballot 21/1/2011 = 10220 members

People may have left for different reasons, I'm sure there's illness, death and a whole host of other reasons for the lower number, including a large amount from redundancy.

But that was not the point made in the post. My point is that there are 2560 fewer cabin crew in BASSA, which means their ability to affect the rest of the company is diminishing... fast

It is of course also heartening to see the support for industrial action within the union drop from 74% in 2009 to 56.3% of union members in 2011, whilst at the same time the No vote has more than doubled, and the amount of apathy from non voters continues also to rise.

From a passengers point of view this is now a non event. From a passengers point of view this industrial action is now irrelevant. Game over BASSA.

Betty girl 22nd Jan 2011 17:37

BBB,
Not sure I said all, maybe some.

Hear are the figures from BA.

Total no of cabin crew 13500

2500 definitely not in union
1579 voted NO
2885 Abstained or did not vote because they were not in the union.
____
6964 Did not vote yes

5751 Voted YES

Less than 50%

Rest are probably on Mixed Fleet so not in voting figures.

Quite a lot have left since the strikes started. Upset and disillusioned, our churn rate at the moment is up, mostly due to the strike, this must be making BA happy because Mixed Fleet growing faster because of this.

MPN11 22nd Jan 2011 17:42


Originally Posted by Richard228
From a passengers point of view this is now a non event. From a passengers point of view this industrial action is now irrelevant. Game over BASSA.

It was a non-event by the time we reached 'Strike 2 of 4' last Spring, IMO. A moderate amount of bu66eration factor, including re-scheduling and re-booking, but I suspect the great majority of pax went A>B and back again.

We flew outbound TATL during 'Strike 3', and back during 'Strike 4'. A few re-bookings were necessary, as aircraft/crews came back on-line. No real problems, just a bit of inconvenience.
On the plus side, we flew LHR-IAD on a 744 with just over 20 pax :ok:

All credit to BA, the VCC and the loyal staff who made it happen ... as I'm sure they will again.

glad rag 22nd Jan 2011 18:30

Whilst I originally was 100% for BA, the truth of the matter is this whole charade has gone on far too long.
Those fair paying passengers, who have stayed loyal so far, may well throw in the towel to avoid the hassle and extra expense of supporting BA any longer.

LD12986 22nd Jan 2011 18:40


Quite a lot have left since the strikes started. Upset and disillusioned, our churn rate at the moment is up, mostly due to the strike, this must be making BA happy because Mixed Fleet growing faster because of this.
Sadly, I know of some very good crew (long-haul) members who did not support the strikes but have left the company because of the behaviour of BASSA supporters onboard and downroute.

MPN11 22nd Jan 2011 19:49


Originally Posted by glad rag
Whilst I originally was 100% for BA, the truth of the matter is this whole charade has gone on far too long.
Those fair paying passengers, who have stayed loyal so far, may well throw in the towel to avoid the hassle and extra expense of supporting BA any longer.

Why should we??
Where's the extra expense??
Why can't you spell fare?? :)

BA flies me wherever I need to go, at a decent price and with reasonable service. And it has done that consistently, despite BASSA's tantrums.
The fact that there's a bit of aggravation makes no difference to me/us/my company. I/we fly BA.

Shack37 22nd Jan 2011 22:36


Why should we??
Where's the extra expense??
Why can't you spell fare?? http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/smile.gif
How do you know those paying passengers were not fair?

glad rag 22nd Jan 2011 23:08

:ugh: fair cop.

Diplome 23rd Jan 2011 00:44

Short haul during a time of disruption may be a bit of a bother, but I'm certainly not going to worry too much about long haul in the big scheme of my travel choices.

I'm very fare that way ;)

glad rag..its all meant in good fun. We don't do too much spell checking here. If we did I would have the vast majority of mine mocked.

fincastle84 23rd Jan 2011 06:01


Whilst I originally was 100% for BA, the truth of the matter is this whole charade has gone on far too long.
Those fair paying passengers, who have stayed loyal so far, may well throw in the towel to avoid the hassle and extra expense of supporting BA any longer
We only use BA for long haul leisure flights & throughout last year's turmoil BA gave us 110% satisfaction. We have 3 such flights booked for '11 covering the next 9 months & have no concerns that they won't operate to schedule.

We're backing BA.

PS Don't you ever go to bed Diplome?

BetterByBoat 23rd Jan 2011 08:00

I did post some time ago that I didn't buy into the "Lemmings led by liars" argument with regards to striking crew but now I'm not so sure. Mildy Militant (yet somehow, totally deluded) has managed to post this up on the cabin crew page without the slightest hint of irony:

"Are these acceptable and progressive 21st century industrial relations?
Does it signal a willingness to settle and move on?"

This coming from someone who went on strike over "No negotiation" and has continued to vote for strike action to "show a willingness to move on.".

Betty girl 23rd Jan 2011 09:22

He is probably a union rep.!!!

PleasureFlyer 23rd Jan 2011 09:45

I'm another fare paying pax with several BA flights booked over the next 6 months.

Am I worried I won't get to where I need to be? No.
Will I be bothered if the onboard service is not up to par because of VCC? No, because it is perfectly understandable as they do not do the job day in day out.

I am however another one who has given up with BA on the Japan/Singapore routes as the on board experience is just so hit and miss. Some fights are absolutely brilliant, but too many are just average to below average. For the money I have to pay in fares it has to be 'very good'.

Otherwise on every other single flight I take with BA I have never had any cause for complaint.

Diplome 23rd Jan 2011 10:01

fincastle:


Don't you ever sleep diplome?
Sometimes it feels like I don't, last night being one of them.

I have business interests in the States and unfortunately my property manager refuses to operate on Cumbrian time. Sometimes it means late nights, not too often, but often enough. Its why I use that i.v. drip of strong coffee in the morning :)


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