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[Alverton Al]

Sunset over Greece last Monday evening. Sri Lanka Airlines A330.
Me in seat 61A with a Samsung Galaxy A52.
Zoom in for a better view of the moon with Venus Above.

[justapax]

Originally Posted by Alverton Al

Sunset over Greece last Monday evening. Sri Lanka Airlines A330.
Me in seat 61A with a Samsung Galaxy A52.
Zoom in for a better view of the moon with Venus Above.

I don't see a pic. 'PPRuNe Problems or Queries' has a sticky topic about inserting pictures.

[PAXboy]

Leaving SFO on a BA 380 on my mobile.

[BRUpax]

En route LHR to JFK 10 March 1988 on board B747-136 G-AWNC The captain was Ian Dunlop.

[BRUpax]

Departure off Miami runway 09R (as it was then) and about to cross over 09L on a scheduled Naples/PBA DC-3 flight from Miami to Naples 9/DEC/82 on board N137PB. Actual flight time was 41 minutes.

[PAXboy]

Seated there, it must have been very quiet ...

[BRUpax]

Originally Posted by PAXboy

Seated there, it must have been very quiet ...

It was heavenly! Music to my ears! Not quite as good as the DC-6Bs I used to fly in though

[PAXboy]

One of my favorite sounds (to stretch the topic) was in the forward cabins of the 747. During the takeoff roll, she made various creaks and bumps but you knew she was always going to get you there safely and - for me - always did. The last time I heard that was my last on a BA 744 sitting in WT+. Bliss.

[justapax]

PAXboy, it always seemed to me that in the rear cabin, the tail of the 747 was constantly wagging in small circles, as if the autopilot was constantly correcting an in-built tendency to Dutch roll. Perhaps a 747 pilot can comment if this perception has any basis in fact.

[S.o.S.]

Justapax1 Not been down the back end of a 74 for over 20 years. But I do recall that the 340-600 did a steady rocking in the cruise. Sitting in the PE cabin was directly over the wing and - looking out of the window at the stars - you could see the wing moving steadily up and down. Inside the cabin, not looking out of the window - it could not be sensed. I have no idea how much the wing was moving as it was night time and the wing is very long!

[longer ron]

Originally Posted by Justapax1

PAXboy, it always seemed to me that in the rear cabin, the tail of the 747 was constantly wagging in small circles, as if the autopilot was constantly correcting an in-built tendency to Dutch roll. Perhaps a 747 pilot can comment if this perception has any basis in fact.

In a 747 - Quite a long 'moment arm' behind the centre section if sitting in the rear seats,so that would probably amplify/exaggerate any slight movement in either pitch or yaw.
I crossed the pond quite a few times near the back of the cabin in 747's (loved the old 747 ),there was one short row of seats which gave a little more space.

[Mr Mac]

Never mind 747 / 340 -600 you should have watched the DC8 -61 shimmy. I only did two flight as a passenger one back in early 70,s so I was still quite young on SAS and one in early 30,s on a freighter conversion but they both seemed to do the twist
Cheers
Mr Mac

[FUMR]

B747s, B707s, DC-8s. I came from an era of real aeroplanes (airplanes for our American cousins), the propliner era. Oops, showing my age again

[justapax]

Originally Posted by FUMR

B747s, B707s, DC-8s. I came from an era of real aeroplanes (airplanes for our American cousins), the propliner era. Oops, showing my age again

With the exception of the Tu-114 (which I never flew in) propliners had straight wings and thus no tendency to Dutch roll. The Tu-114, from what I can understand, rocked and rolled all over the sky, and was stupefyingly noisy. If you were going to be airsick in any aircraft, this would be the one.

[pax britanica]

Based on a lot of years as Pax the stretched DC8 61/71 and 63/73s had a really pronounced left fight and up and down moments being very long and thin the extensions being both in front and aft of the wing. Definitely the bounciest aircraft I have ever been in. On the other hand the -62/72 was a beautifully proportioned aircraft an seemed much much steadier in the cruise-but then i might have had my trips ona good day. 757-300 was about as close to the long DC8s you could get and they were a bit bendy at the back . Of course if you spent the whole flight looking backwards the MD 80s seemed to bend a bit as they really were long and narrow but in front of the wing. Before my time but i wonder what the Lockheed 1649 Starliner was like.

[SpringHeeledJack]

Never mind 747 / 340 -600 you should have watched the DC8 -61 shimmy. I only did two flight as a passenger one back in early 70,s so I was still quite young on SAS and one in early 30,s on a freighter conversion but they both seemed to do the twist
Cheers
Mr Mac

Based on a lot of years as Pax the stretched DC8 61/71 and 63/73s had a really pronounced left fight and up and down moments being very long and thin the extensions being both in front and aft of the wing. Definitely the bounciest aircraft I have ever been in. On the other hand the -62/72 was a beautifully proportioned aircraft an seemed much much steadier in the cruise-but then i might have had my trips ona good day. 757-300 was about as close to the long DC8s you could get and they were a bit bendy at the back .

That was my experience as well. I only flew in the -53 and -63 DC-8's and the longer one's really moved noticeably in flight. I remember a night flight across the Atlantic and I was the only one up (for a loo visit) and I stood at the back and watched the mesmerising movement out of the rear door window under the light of the full moon, whilst all the passengers slept on oblivious to it's existence. As to the 757-300, I can't say that I noticed anything on the times I flew on them, perhaps I was more to the front and unaware.

[justapax]

We seem to have started another thread within this thread. S.o.S, is it appropriate to split the thread into 'Pix' and 'oscillatory aircraft'?

[PAXboy]

The 340-600 has a really big waggle down the back. I recall a trip to JFK, when I was down the back and it was almost a circular motion.

[Krystal n chips]

Originally Posted by Mr Mac

Never mind 747 / 340 -600 you should have watched the DC8 -61 shimmy. I only did two flight as a passenger one back in early 70,s so I was still quite young on SAS and one in early 30,s on a freighter conversion but they both seemed to do the twist
Cheers
Mr Mac

Flew on a KLM DC8 combi, once. Don't recall any shimmy, but, do recall the departure and climb seemingly tried to emulate a Lightning ...I was impressed !

However, came back from YVR on a CP Air DC10...which happily gently rolled both ways in an almost controlled manner. I thought this was possibly due to an A/P roll channel problem, but, maybe it was due to the reasons others have mentioned.

More memorable for being a clear, moonlight night, looking down and seeing large areas of white, with the occasional cluster of lights, and hence the vastness of Canada displayed.

[wub]

Outbound from Edinburgh