Question around Go-arounds
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Question around Go-arounds
Hi,
Might be nothing but i'm in the air a lot and never seen this before. I've spent the last few hours googling as I was really interested in what goes on behind the scenes.
Tonight my flight from CPH -> EDI had a go around: Easyjet U26984 / EZY78QL
This appeared due to the cabin crew not getting anything ready a summary of my experience i emailled to easyjet head office:
I'm not in the aviation industry, simply a passenger.
Just wanted to know:
Was i in any additional risk?
Does this happen often?
Is this as unprofessional as it looks from the outside?
Might be nothing but i'm in the air a lot and never seen this before. I've spent the last few hours googling as I was really interested in what goes on behind the scenes.
Tonight my flight from CPH -> EDI had a go around: Easyjet U26984 / EZY78QL
This appeared due to the cabin crew not getting anything ready a summary of my experience i emailled to easyjet head office:
- The cabin crew received a "ten minutes to landing" message over the tannoy from the captain.
- No seatbelt light came on, which i thought was strange
- Coming over Livingston deep into the descent a panicked stewardess came on the tannoy and sped through the fasten seatbelt for landing announcement
- They ran around the cabin, checking - by this time we were getting very close to runway
- Around the same time they sat in their own seats the plan hit full power , began accelerating and turned north to the Firth of Forth.
- Captain came on and stated they had to go-around due to the cabin not being secure, stated it was standard procedure and we'd re join the queue
I'm not in the aviation industry, simply a passenger.
Just wanted to know:
Was i in any additional risk?
Does this happen often?
Is this as unprofessional as it looks from the outside?
Originally Posted by AerocatS2A
You weren’t in any additional risk.
It doesn’t happen often.
Mistakes happen. Unprofessional would be continuing the landing with an unsecured cabin.
It doesn’t happen often.
Mistakes happen. Unprofessional would be continuing the landing with an unsecured cabin.
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Downright dangerous. If there was a high speed RTO?? Who would pay the insurance claim? Further, if the CC were not just thrown down by such an event but thrown onto pax who also experienced injury?
Terrible lack of discipline and common sense..
Terrible lack of discipline and common sense..
You can be certain that EZY will take this very seriously and that it will be fully investigated (not just because of the cost associated with the GA)
They may be a LoCo operator but they have a very proactive safety system staffed by good people.
If mistakes were made then they will be shared and learned from.
And no - I do not work for them and never have, but I do know what I'm talking about on this subject.
As earlier poster mentioned - no increased risk to the pax since the approach was abandoned.
Not unprofessional - not everything works perfectly all the time. What would have been unprofessional would have been to land with an unsecured cabin.
OH
They may be a LoCo operator but they have a very proactive safety system staffed by good people.
If mistakes were made then they will be shared and learned from.
And no - I do not work for them and never have, but I do know what I'm talking about on this subject.
As earlier poster mentioned - no increased risk to the pax since the approach was abandoned.
Not unprofessional - not everything works perfectly all the time. What would have been unprofessional would have been to land with an unsecured cabin.
OH
I was flying to Sri Lanka in January-normal flight normal pre landing checks- for whatever reason once we were down on all three landing gears the plane (A330-300) decelerated incredibly rapidly -most radically in 40 years of intense pax travel and a real shock and reminder about why seat belts were there-anyone standing in the aisle would have been flung forward with frightening force . A lot of passengers commented on it as we were disembarking and I am sure there was a good reason for it but the most common sentiment was my god I will never forget to fasten and check seat belt again or flip it open when the wheels touch.
I also thought it a graphic demonstration of how much braking effort is built into a modern airliner very impressive after the shock had worn off , and believe me it was a shock .
I also thought it a graphic demonstration of how much braking effort is built into a modern airliner very impressive after the shock had worn off , and believe me it was a shock .
Originally Posted by Harry Wayfarers
I'm of the impression that it is the flight deck that switch the 'seat belt' sign on that is above their heads and the cabin crew react as obeyed from up front.
Is there an option for either to do it ?
Does it vary according to aircraft type or carrier ?
Thanks, I searched for a bit more on this The captain has switched on the Fasten Seat Belt sign - feel free to ignore it
So either cc or fd CAN operate the seat belt warnings, but who Usually does it ? It appears to be part of the pre landing check list.
So either cc or fd CAN operate the seat belt warnings, but who Usually does it ? It appears to be part of the pre landing check list.
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Oh goodie.... another go around thread!
It's a normal aviation event. A go around is carried out because the option to continue would have resulted in something undesirable. They are always the safest choice. They are not dangerous. They are not reportable.
It's a normal aviation event. A go around is carried out because the option to continue would have resulted in something undesirable. They are always the safest choice. They are not dangerous. They are not reportable.
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Hello curiouspassenger and welcome to the 'cabin' of PPRuNe. Yes, Go Arounds are a standard part of airline life but one of the reasons this PPRuNe forum exists is to answer old questions for the first time! Some of us have been travelling for many decades and never experienced one, others have had them very early on in their passenger life. Please stay around to contribute more as it is only very occasionally that I put on the Seat Belt sign. 
To make it clear - we do not criticise posters (especially new ones) for asking perfectly reasonable questions.
To make it clear - we do not criticise posters (especially new ones) for asking perfectly reasonable questions.
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My understanding, based on personal observations and knowledge, is that at the appropriate point of a flight as part of their pre-landing checks, the flight crew would activate the 'seat belt' sign, the cabin crew would then make a PA to the effect of seats to the upright position, tray tables up, seat belts on etc. and do a walk-round or two checking that all pax have done as instructed before informing the flight crew, to the effect, "cabin secure" or as one Australian purser I knew would joke "set to jet", and unless the flight crew have received that feedback from the cabin crew then their pre-landing checks are not complete and they, as it seemed they did on this occasion, perform a go around.
Why no 'seat belt' sign came on, that is a mystery!
Why no 'seat belt' sign came on, that is a mystery!
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Reminds me of a Hemus Air Tu134 from London to Plovdiv, last minute change of charter after Balkan Bulgarian went pop.
Captain Gregoriev wasn't a man for hanging around and hit the throttle while the cabin crew were still checking seatbelts. Result - a heap of ladies at the rear of the cabin!
Shouldn't laugh but what else can you do?
Captain Gregoriev wasn't a man for hanging around and hit the throttle while the cabin crew were still checking seatbelts. Result - a heap of ladies at the rear of the cabin!
Shouldn't laugh but what else can you do?
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In the mid 90's, for six months I was required to fly Alitalia a couple of times a week. For some reason, the cabin crew always seemed to be male (and lots of them), wearing well-cut uniforms with peaked caps, gold bars, wings and stripes everywhere. There was a definite relaxed macho attitude prevailing throughout the flights which appeared to often extend to optional or very, very last-minute seating for landing. I often imagined two or three of them hurtling towards the rear should the thrust levers be pushed forwards at the last minute...
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
Oh goodie.... another go around thread!
It's a normal aviation event. A go around is carried out because the option to continue would have resulted in something undesirable. They are always the safest choice. They are not dangerous. They are not reportable.
It's a normal aviation event. A go around is carried out because the option to continue would have resulted in something undesirable. They are always the safest choice. They are not dangerous. They are not reportable.
A few years ago I was on a flight that was landing in St Lucia, a route that I had flown on about 50 times previously so I knew when to expect the landing gear to descend. (and as I'm normally in the front row of WT, it's extremely clear to hear when the gear is lowered or raised).
On this occasion, the aircraft was approaching the field and had gone well past the point that the gear was normally dropped and this hadn't happened. Then when the aircraft wasn't too far from the end of the runway, a go around was performed.
On the second approach, the landing gear was lowered where I would normally have expected it and the captain or co-pilot gave an announcement stating that the reason for the go around was due to a misconfiguration of the aircraft but he didn't go into any more detail.
I would have expected that this go around would have definitely been a reportable occurrence.
I know that with all of the automated warnings on modern aircraft that it's hard to believe this happened, but what I stated is exactly what occurred.
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Better to have gone around and wished you'd landed than to have landed and wished you'd gone around.
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Originally Posted by 419
Surely whether or not it is a reportable occurrence depends on the reason for the GA.
A few years ago I was on a flight that was landing in St Lucia, a route that I had flown on about 50 times previously so I knew when to expect the landing gear to descend. (and as I'm normally in the front row of WT, it's extremely clear to hear when the gear is lowered or raised).
On this occasion, the aircraft was approaching the field and had gone well past the point that the gear was normally dropped and this hadn't happened. Then when the aircraft wasn't too far from the end of the runway, a go around was performed.
On the second approach, the landing gear was lowered where I would normally have expected it and the captain or co-pilot gave an announcement stating that the reason for the go around was due to a misconfiguration of the aircraft but he didn't go into any more detail.
I would have expected that this go around would have definitely been a reportable occurrence.
I know that with all of the automated warnings on modern aircraft that it's hard to believe this happened, but what I stated is exactly what occurred.
A few years ago I was on a flight that was landing in St Lucia, a route that I had flown on about 50 times previously so I knew when to expect the landing gear to descend. (and as I'm normally in the front row of WT, it's extremely clear to hear when the gear is lowered or raised).
On this occasion, the aircraft was approaching the field and had gone well past the point that the gear was normally dropped and this hadn't happened. Then when the aircraft wasn't too far from the end of the runway, a go around was performed.
On the second approach, the landing gear was lowered where I would normally have expected it and the captain or co-pilot gave an announcement stating that the reason for the go around was due to a misconfiguration of the aircraft but he didn't go into any more detail.
I would have expected that this go around would have definitely been a reportable occurrence.
I know that with all of the automated warnings on modern aircraft that it's hard to believe this happened, but what I stated is exactly what occurred.
Why would that GA be a reportable occurrence? ... There was a reason why the aircraft couldn't land, the crew took appropriate action and at no time were the passengers in any danger!
Every approach is treated as a potential go-around and briefed as such.
GAs happen for a whole bunch of possible reasons, very few of which satisfy the ICAO definition of a Reportable Incident.
GAs happen for a whole bunch of possible reasons, very few of which satisfy the ICAO definition of a Reportable Incident.
