LHR ~ PER = 18 hrs, says Qantas
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I have just come back up from Argentina with 1.5hr internal flight, 13.5hr to London, LHR two step and 1hr Man and that was enough. When Singapore operated to New York none stop on the 340 (All Business Class) I did that trip once at about 18hrs and a bit. Even when turning left I was glad to get off. I know everyone says the world is shrinking but when you flick to the in flight map that little old A/C symbol does seem to crawl across certain parts of it in my experience. Therefore if they did a none stop to Perth I think I would still rather do a Dubai two step to break the journey.
Time for a snooze.
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As I recall from my recent visit to PER, you can also get to ASP, AYQ and a host of smaller places like Broome. It would be a good starting point for a circular tour of the country, finishing up on the East coast and then 2-step home, or the other way around.
On an id90 I would take the non-stop. Less chance of being stranded somewhere awkward and expensive.
Can't see any commercial success in this. To justify the costs of the operation it would need a high business travel ratio and high yield, Perth just has not got that market. Nonstop through to Sydney, if possible (I believe not) and you might get adequate revenue, but not Perth. It would be pointless relying on connecting traffic to Melbourne or Sydney as they have much better existing one-stop links with London.
Major business in Perth is basically some mining, some oil/gas exploration. London, a dominant point for finance and media, is not a centre for either (Vancouver or Houston might be better).
Major business in Perth is basically some mining, some oil/gas exploration. London, a dominant point for finance and media, is not a centre for either (Vancouver or Houston might be better).
Moving Sydney from its present location to Broome would have a lot of advantages. It would be excellent for connecting flights throughout Australia as no backtracking would be involved. There is plenty of space for a new 24 hour airport and it's closer to the Asian markets. Non stop flights to London would be possible and almost certainly profitable.
Getting to Europe wouldn't be a 24 hour misery, connecting flights through the Middle East would be much shorter encouraging more tourism.
Blame the first fleet for arriving in the wrong place.
Getting to Europe wouldn't be a 24 hour misery, connecting flights through the Middle East would be much shorter encouraging more tourism.
Blame the first fleet for arriving in the wrong place.
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The Qantas media machine is very successful. London to Perth flights is to Qantas what paying to use the toilet, or £10 transatlantic flights are to Ryanair. It will never happen, but gets lots of cheap publicity and gets the name out there.
Of course back in the day, ended around 2000? , BA used to fly a 747 into PER ex LHR albeit via SIN..now i wonder what the stats were on that in terms of through loads etc..I would so do 18 hours, anything to stop more security checks, airport transfers, boarding, etc etc....just make sure in B class seat!
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The Qantas media machine is very successful. London to Perth flights is to Qantas what paying to use the toilet, or £10 transatlantic flights are to Ryanair. It will never happen
Similarly, Qantas can sell LON to the likes of Adelaide, Alice, Darwin, Brisbane, Cairns, Sydney, Melbourne etc. with a 1 or 2 hour (ish) connection in Perth whilst clearing immigration and arriving at their final destinations as domestic passengers, even better if they allowed an extended connection time in Perth where one could arrive today and crash in a hotel before continuing their journey tomorrow.
I wouldn't be surprised to see more than one LON/PER/LON service each day
Of course back in the day, ended around 2000? , BA used to fly a 747 into PER ex LHR albeit via SIN..now i wonder what the stats were on that in terms of through loads etc
BA used to fly a 747 into PER ex LHR albeit via SIN..now i wonder what the stats were on that in terms of through loads etc
I operated a fair few of those and whilst I can't comment on the yield ('cos I don't know) I do recall those flights generally being "quiet".
FWIW When we had the traffic rights for the PER/AKL extension it always seemed to me that the load picked up again due to joiners at PER.
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I was in PER in March and saw many routes. The place is expanding and this page from the airport website shows why a direct route there could be both good and not so good.
Perth Airport - Passengers | Route maps
Good because there are lots of domestic connections but not so good as there are many international connections. Which means those carriers will have sewn up deals with others and might make it more difficult for a new entrant to get onward connections.
Perth Airport - Passengers | Route maps
Good because there are lots of domestic connections but not so good as there are many international connections. Which means those carriers will have sewn up deals with others and might make it more difficult for a new entrant to get onward connections.
PER certainly has grown over more recent years and the infrastructure around the airport is part of that development. It is though an economy that is 2 or 3 tiers, for some money is no object, for others it struggles. More international flights/gateways etc has certainly boosted the figures and of course aircraft that are more efficient.....the 380 from Emirates, the Dreamliner of Thai etc. QF actually have (in QF colours) either no or very limited international flights from PER presently...in fact i thought it zero....?
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Good because there are lots of domestic connections but not so good as there are many international connections. Which means those carriers will have sewn up deals with others and might make it more difficult for a new entrant to get onward connections.
Isn't this just for PR purposes. QF claiming the first ever non stop schedule between UK and Oz. Whether it pays or not is another matter. I agree with comments made above regarding the costs of the operation. To save a couple of hours flying to Perth non stop is neither here nor there. My view is would prefer a transit stop to and from Oz to freshen up, walk around etc.
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To save a couple of hours flying to Perth non stop is neither here nor there. My view is would prefer a transit stop to and from Oz to freshen up, walk around etc.
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We're all different. Even though I only fly Business on Long Haul, I'll settle for 2 x 7 hrs and a comfortable night stop in between. 18 hrs in one go? Never! Of course, in all fairness, being retired I'm never in a hurry 
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It's official: Qantas will start the nonstop PER-LHR route in March 2017, with a 787-9: Media Releases - QANTAS TO FLY NON-STOP PERTH TO LONDON - Qantas News Room
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Qantas to fly from London to Australia non-stop
Qantas to fly from London to Australia non-stop - BBC News
Will take 17 hours to Perth making it the worlds longest non stop route.
I can't think of anything worse than being stuck in an aircraft for probably close to 18 hours when boarding and disembarkation is included.
It can't be a great experience either for both crews.
Will take 17 hours to Perth making it the worlds longest non stop route.
I can't think of anything worse than being stuck in an aircraft for probably close to 18 hours when boarding and disembarkation is included.
It can't be a great experience either for both crews.