LHR ~ PER = 18 hrs, says Qantas
the Middle Eastern players dont seem to struggle to fill planes and a sizable number of their pax are ultimately headed for European destinations.
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If someone wants to go to Sydney or Melbourne where most travellers to Australia actually want to go, they won't go through 17 hours of hell to get to the a**e end of nowhere, to take another short flight, when they could have the same number of flights and probably a shorter duration overall, and have a more pleasurable flight experience.
If you want to go to Glasgow from London, you don't go via scooter to Edinburgh on A Roads and then catch the train.
If you want to go to Glasgow from London, you don't go via scooter to Edinburgh on A Roads and then catch the train.
But aren't there direct flights between London and Glasgow?
Quite so. And a motorway all the way, too, come to that. 
A dubious generalisation based on dodgy maths and accompanied by an invalid analogy.
If someone wants to go to Sydney or Melbourne where most travellers to Australia actually want to go, they won't go through 17 hours of hell to get to the a**e end of nowhere, to take another short flight, when they could have the same number of flights and probably a shorter duration overall, and have a more pleasurable flight experience.
If you want to go to Glasgow from London, you don't go via scooter to Edinburgh on A Roads and then catch the train.
If you want to go to Glasgow from London, you don't go via scooter to Edinburgh on A Roads and then catch the train.
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Say around 2.8 million people in W A - probably enough to fill Cleared Visuals couple of direct flights a week, maybe more
N E England has supported a daily Emirates flight for over 9 years and they have a slightly smaller population (~ 2.5 million?) and not much in the way of high disposable income.
It'll never be a major money spinner but it could work at low frequencies - certainly no way it could do 2 flights a day
N E England has supported a daily Emirates flight for over 9 years and they have a slightly smaller population (~ 2.5 million?) and not much in the way of high disposable income.
It'll never be a major money spinner but it could work at low frequencies - certainly no way it could do 2 flights a day
Hardly a realistic comparison. NCL has such a small proportion of connecting traffic that I don't think they bother recording it.
But nobody is seriously suggesting LHR-PER would be viable with only O&D traffic.
But nobody is seriously suggesting LHR-PER would be viable with only O&D traffic.
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Well I was counting the whole of Western Australia in the 2.8mm - as others have pointed out they don't see much inter-State connections traffic being made buto get to the 2.8 you'll have to have inter-WA connections for sure
You could probably fit the highly populated bit of NE England into Greater Perth TBH
You could probably fit the highly populated bit of NE England into Greater Perth TBH
The UK city of Newcastle couldn't support a direct long haul flight to any single destination, Emirates can make it pay because of their network of connections through Dubai.
Emirates can make it pay because of their network of connections through Dubai.
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An ULH sector requires many kgs of fuel to carry each kg of payload. Other than a few kgs of urgent next day delivery envelopes, that will cost a fortune, I doubt if QF would carry non-priority cargo on a route like this.
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"The UK city of Newcastle couldn't support a direct long haul flight to any single destination, Emirates can make it pay because of their network of connections through Dubai."
Last time I went through Dubai from Paris I reckon about 30% of the pax headed to the connections area.......................
Last time I went through Dubai from Paris I reckon about 30% of the pax headed to the connections area.......................
Dubai is a popular stop over city and Emirates offer many packages for a couple of nights accommodation and various tours.
The demographics are quite different between Newcastle and Paris, well healed Parisians may have a short holiday in Dubai to get away from the winter cold and do some duty free shopping.
Geordies are more likely to fly Ryanair to Alicante, Ibiza or some cheap booze Eastern European city where they can head straight to the nearest English pub and get hammered on Newcastle brown ale or cheap lager.
The demographics are quite different between Newcastle and Paris, well healed Parisians may have a short holiday in Dubai to get away from the winter cold and do some duty free shopping.
Geordies are more likely to fly Ryanair to Alicante, Ibiza or some cheap booze Eastern European city where they can head straight to the nearest English pub and get hammered on Newcastle brown ale or cheap lager.
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I'd guess that pax from Newcastle are a mix - holidays in Dubai - it's only 6 hours after all and the NE Coast gets desperate in winter - and connecting traffic
If you're going long haul you have a choice of NCL-LHR-XXX or NCL-Dubai-XXX -
I know which one I'd take..................
If you're going long haul you have a choice of NCL-LHR-XXX or NCL-Dubai-XXX -
I know which one I'd take..................