Hand luggage in emergency evacuation
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Unfortunately there are idiots everywhere. The only way to overcome this is to impose heavy fines. Once word gets around that it cost US$10,000 to take your bag people would not do it. During an evacuation it is too late, if they have bags its quicker to just let them go.
that raises an interesting point, folk who rely on prescription medication are told to carry it in their hand luggage so it is accesable at all times
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As others have suggested, why not, if bulk permits, keep it on your person?
Even a large waist back or a small kiddies rucksack are all classed as hand baggage so should not be carried
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You are correct west lakes but better to take a mini rucksack than full sized handluggage? It is clear that pax will NOT follow instructions. Every evac that has been documented in social media has shown this.
My guess is that, in evacs in previous decades, many pax took hand cases with them - but there were no photographs to prove it. Further I speculate that the professionals (crew and rescuers) who saw that bags were taken did not speak publicly about this aspect.
There are many examples that, in extremis, people revert to their first learned behaviour. None of us know how we are going to react. I suspect a large part of the explanation will be if the evac is notified some minutes in advance with all instructions repeated loudly when they ARE listening. Or whether it's an unexpected evac with (practically) no warning.
My guess is that, in evacs in previous decades, many pax took hand cases with them - but there were no photographs to prove it. Further I speculate that the professionals (crew and rescuers) who saw that bags were taken did not speak publicly about this aspect.
There are many examples that, in extremis, people revert to their first learned behaviour. None of us know how we are going to react. I suspect a large part of the explanation will be if the evac is notified some minutes in advance with all instructions repeated loudly when they ARE listening. Or whether it's an unexpected evac with (practically) no warning.
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It's one of those catch 22 situations that perhaps airlines & regulators need to consider rather than rely on procedures that have been around for a long time.
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But still,
Can someone answer the question, how long will I have to wait until I am reunited with my valuables (which I am told not to check into the hold), my documents (which I am told not to check into the hold), or my medicine (Pen insulin injectors in a cooling wallet - which need to be cooler than my body temperature - and glucose meter (which I will never check into the hold)?
I really don't want to leave any of the above in the seat back pocket, I have had seniors' moments and forgotten things there. Everything in my relatively small sized carry-on, it's coming with me. (It is smaller than some ladies' 'hand' bags)
If it's going to be an hour or two, OK. But if it is more than that I will need assistance from the medical teams, who probably have other greater priorities than my glucose level. However that is life-critical to me.
Can someone answer the question, how long will I have to wait until I am reunited with my valuables (which I am told not to check into the hold), my documents (which I am told not to check into the hold), or my medicine (Pen insulin injectors in a cooling wallet - which need to be cooler than my body temperature - and glucose meter (which I will never check into the hold)?
I really don't want to leave any of the above in the seat back pocket, I have had seniors' moments and forgotten things there. Everything in my relatively small sized carry-on, it's coming with me. (It is smaller than some ladies' 'hand' bags)
If it's going to be an hour or two, OK. But if it is more than that I will need assistance from the medical teams, who probably have other greater priorities than my glucose level. However that is life-critical to me.
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you don't need documents, or your meds.. all you Are doing is putting others lives at risk for selfish reasons.
within 15-30 minute max you will be in the terminal building with full health care professionals able to supply all you need. so the extra 30 seconds you took for no good reason to get your bag just killed 5 people further down the line waiting to get out!!
you don't need documents, or your meds.. all you Are doing is putting others lives at risk for selfish reasons.
within 15-30 minute max you will be in the terminal building with full health care professionals able to supply all you need. so the extra 30 seconds you took for no good reason to get your bag just killed 5 people further down the line waiting to get out!!
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The problem is that I guess it's human nature to be possessive about one's possessions. It's not an excuse but for many that's what it comes down to. I also think that some evacuations are, rightly or wrongly, perceived to be less critical by the pax involved. Perhaps if the same pax in the photographs above had been evacuating a burning aircraft they may well not have grabbed their belongings. I don't know. And yes, I too belong to the category that ensures shoes are on for take-off and landing.
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And if you divert to (say) Banjul International Airport in The Gambia? Or if your a/c is crossing the Indian ocean, Seychelles airport is closest at 03:00 in the morning?
Even if your flight is London to San Francisco, you cannot tell where you might have to land. Take the most extreme example - on Sept 11th 2001, 38 a/c were diverted to Gander. The variables nowadays are infinite and I, again, agree with west lakes:
Today's pax have an entirely different approach to everything, not just hand luggage than even 25 years ago.
... within 15-30 minute max you will be in the terminal building with full health care professionals able to supply all you need.
Even if your flight is London to San Francisco, you cannot tell where you might have to land. Take the most extreme example - on Sept 11th 2001, 38 a/c were diverted to Gander. The variables nowadays are infinite and I, again, agree with west lakes:
It's one of those catch 22 situations that perhaps airlines & regulators need to consider rather than rely on procedures that have been around for a long time.
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pax boy- a divert is a different situation. you know your diverting.. fine get you meds and put them in your pocket. no drama. you have the time before you land. on a spur of the moment evac order stuff everything else and get off, or in my opinion go to the back of the line (ie stay in your seat and wait until everyone else has evacuated) bet you wouldn't care so much for your stuff then!
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There is no excuse for taking any time to get something out of an overhead locker in an emergency evacuation.
The is no pre existing medical situation that cannot be sorted out once on the ground after evacuation.
The is no pre existing medical situation that cannot be sorted out once on the ground after evacuation.
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ExXB. I think it's utterly bizarre how you think it's perfectly safe for you to slow down an evac and directly risk someone safety. Yet you whinge about a particular airline doing a foreign language PA (not safety demo) with people stood?!?! I really don't get it.
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within 15-30 minute max you will be in the terminal building with full health care professionals able to supply all you need.
Looking at Ex XB and my self as type1 diabetics, there are a huge number of different insulins on the market that all act in different ways, it's not a one type fits all scenario.
To change from one to another needs specialist (Diabetic specialist) advice, how li8kely is it that the emergency response will include that?
And all the time the clock is ticking.
Looking at one of the other drugs I am on, it has this disclaimer
The information on this site is not country-specific and may contain information that is outside the approved indications in the country in which you are located.
We're not talking about phones. tickets, cards or anything like that which some see as their priority.
A bit like this thread
http://www.pprune.org/passengers-slf...ergencies.html
Folk have serious concerns and the flippant get out of my way or I'll walk over you response helps no-one!
Well, there you have it. A diabetic's life is more important than that of anyone else on the aircraft.
Ref the thread mentioned by west lakes, I've posted the following:
Ref the thread mentioned by west lakes, I've posted the following:
I'd say that, if you don't want to get off then move into an empty row.
I think that, if you find yourself in the flow, you will be carried along.
DO NOT hold up the flow whilst you try to discuss with cabin crew or you may find yourself being walked over.
I think that, if you find yourself in the flow, you will be carried along.
DO NOT hold up the flow whilst you try to discuss with cabin crew or you may find yourself being walked over.
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Folk have serious concerns and the flippant get out of my way or I'll walk over you response helps no-one!
The decision to make the evacuation call is no doubt not taken lightly by the crew, so when the call is made, no doubt the expectation is that compliance will ensue and the aircraft be rendered empty in a timely and expedited manner.
If someone has a medical condition then fine, but it remains for them to find a way to NOT require the need to piss about and faff around in an overhead locker - remember afterall, that people who boarded after you may well have moved your bags or put coats or other bags infront or on top of your bags ..... which you'll have to move and deal with before getting access to yours !
Medical condition or no medical condition, if there's an evacuation and you're in my way rummaging through your bags, I'm not going to stand there and wait, I'm not going to engage in polite conversation about your possible medical conditions .... I'm going to shove you out the way and get the hell down that slide !
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If someone has a medical condition then fine, but it remains for them to find a way to NOT require the need to piss about and faff around in an overhead locker.
It is possibly also to draw others concerns to the attention of various posters so that they can see that all is not easy for others
So comments like:-
I'm going to shove you out the way and get the hell down that slide !
(though not me I'm sure some would happily plant an elbow in your face if you start pushing and shoving which might slow you down)
At any time have I suggested I'll be rooting in a locker? NO
If I've got a plan it is to prevent that as I'm well aware of the need to get out and not disrupt the flow of folk, but still feel that in some circumstances a piece of hand luggage is needed, these are banned because of the risks, quite correct, so I'm trying to find a risk free (to all passengers and crew) means of dealing with this!
I don't know, is the answer to have a clearly marked small bag for the medical stuff, agreement with regulators etc. that these are allowed on slides and agreement from all airlines that it can be carried on in addition to any "one piece of hand luggage rule"
You tell me!
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Well, the reality is, in recent evacuations some passengers have taken their rather bulky hand luggage with them.
No-one here has suggested ways that this can be prevented, other than shoving the offending passengers out of the way.
But, on the other hand, there is no empirical existence that taking stuff with you has delayed an evacuation or has resulted in injury or death. Some ladies have large hand bags. I have a small(er) personal bag ...
Yes, I really think the safety people need to have a look at this and have a good think about rules and regulations.
I can remember discussions on this forum not so long ago about how dangerous PEDs were, until it was decided that they aren't. No rules are sacrosanct, but having a rule and then not enforcing it is just plain stupid.
No-one here has suggested ways that this can be prevented, other than shoving the offending passengers out of the way.
But, on the other hand, there is no empirical existence that taking stuff with you has delayed an evacuation or has resulted in injury or death. Some ladies have large hand bags. I have a small(er) personal bag ...
Yes, I really think the safety people need to have a look at this and have a good think about rules and regulations.
I can remember discussions on this forum not so long ago about how dangerous PEDs were, until it was decided that they aren't. No rules are sacrosanct, but having a rule and then not enforcing it is just plain stupid.