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Old 20th Dec 2013, 12:42
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Pakistan pilot's sandwich demand delays flight by over 2 hours

Scheduled flight from Lahore to New York via Manchester delayed 2.5 hours so the pilot could have a sandwich delivered to the flight deck.

Foodie PIA pilot delays flight for sandwiches by two hours
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Old 20th Dec 2013, 12:55
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Well, but
The captain remained adamant about his demand and said no matter how much time it would take he needed sandwiches at any cost, it said.
- who would survive on "peanuts, chips and biscuits" anyway?
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Clearly there's more to this than has been reported, but reading between the lines it looks as if the crew catering has recently been reduced and the Capt on the day decided that what they had was insufficient. Having been there on many occasions where I've been lied to and bamboozled to go by Ops with insufficient or no catering I have a great deal of sympathy with the principle, though can't comment on this specific case.

You can't despatch to New York with insufficient fuel for the plane. What makes anyone think it is acceptable to despatch with insufficient fuel for the crew?

Crew food has been the biggest bone of contention in my company for over a decade and has caused more morale problems than everything else put together yet for some reason airlines seem to think they can play fast and loose with our fuel. It is a miniscule cost in the overall scheme of things yet has an utterly disporportionate effect on crew morale and raises more passions than almost anything else.

Silly PIA

Own goal by the sound of things, and well done the skipper.
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Well sometimes you put your feet down firm and loose sight of the big picture, but thats what the other pilot next to you is there for.
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Well done Skipper!

Do not let catering detriorate! It is our only way to remain healthy, it is a morale booster or crusher and without enough food for the crew, safety is affected.
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I was under the impression that flight crew ate the first class meals, with different servings for captain and first officer in case of food poisoning or something.
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A key point here is that the catering company contacted management, who approved the pilot's request.

I have seen poor aircrew rations be a contributing factor to a near loss of an RAF aircraft. I even, as a Station Flight Safety Officer, insisted exercise rations be improved before flying continued and was backed up by the Staish.
It's rarely a problem, but it could be a major problem.
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I am sure there is more to this than is being reported, particularly as flight ops in Karachi approved the request (and subsequent delay). The fact that a Boots butty wasn't good enough and the caterers had to get a sandwich from a hotel suggests a specific dietary requirement. Nut allergy perhaps? Gluten intolerence? Diabetes?

Hats off to the pilot. I'd rather be delayed a couple of hours than comprimise the in flight health of my pilot...
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Pilot Demands Sandwich, Delays Flight

Flight delayed hours for pilot's sandwich delivery | Fox News
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Good for him
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I've never been to Lahore airport now have I any knowledge of PIA. Most airports with long haul flights have cafes selling food. Would there have been any possibility of ordering a sandwich from a cafe in the departures area at Lahore rather than from a hotel ?
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I'm sure his passengers were highly impressed with his priorities of their flight.
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Management stuff up

The PIA management has revised the menu on international and long-haul flights as a cost-saving campaign and sandwiches were replaced with peanuts, chips and biscuits.
Next cost cut less fuel safety checks missed.
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The Pilot was probably making a point to some accountant who decided that we can save 40cents by reducing catering for crew which over 100yrs will save us xxxmillions of dollars. The 2.5hr delay certainly cost them well over that much in missed connections/missed slots/possible re-route etc.

To the accountants,
when will you get a formula in your books for goodwill and efficiency because you looked after your crew versus the costs of pissing them off and getting the above sort of reactions.
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Old 21st Dec 2013, 00:51
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He only wanted sandwiches (as per previous arrangements),not a 3 course hot meal.Pretty clear he was making a point and rightly so,IMHO.If he had brought in a home cooked meal to eat later,it would probably have been confiscated at security anyway.If I chartered a 50 seat bus for a trip,I would make damn sure the driver(s) were well fed and rested.With an aircraft,the stakes are much higher,and to penny pinch on sustenance for the crew is sheer insanity
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Many years ago now but I remember a retired BA guy taking a direct LHS at our outfit to fly just as a hobby. One day he delayed the inbound schedule 90 mins or so to go to the terminal for his lunch as his crew meal was not to his liking.
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At least he didn't demand a supply of lemon-soaked paper napkins.

They'd still be waiting if that was the case.
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To the accountants,
when will you get a formula in your books for goodwill and efficiency because you looked after your crew versus the costs of pissing them off and getting the above sort of reactions.
Here, I'll FTFY

To the Pilots

when will you get your attitude sorted because you personally delayed several hundred people because of your arrogance not because of a sandwich. A sandwich which could be obtained from the airport terminal in five minutes.

The passengers would quite rightly not be upset at the accountants but at the pilot who seemed to think that two and half hours to get a specific sandwich rather than a perfectly edible one from the airport terminal.
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Old 21st Dec 2013, 07:05
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The passengers would quite rightly not be upset at the accountants but at the pilot who seemed to think that two and half hours to get a specific sandwich rather than a perfectly edible one from the airport terminal.


Do we know with any degree of certainty that a perfectly edible and much more importantly acceptable sandwich from a hygiene POV was available from that particular terminal - just asking?

Crew food has been the biggest bone of contention in my company for over a decade and has caused more morale problems than everything else put together yet for some reason airlines seem to think they can play fast and loose with our fuel.
Ab (sounds like we're at the same airline)

To the outsider I know a sandwich seems trivial in the scheme of things but given sector lengths (long haul) or number of meals per month provided by the company (short haul...but not all short haul ) the quality and standard crew catering is becoming an emotive issue these days at many airlines. Unlike the catering manager and or accountant we don't have much choice in where we eat during our working day.l
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That's a long time to get a bacon sandwich .....
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