Use of video camera on commercial flight
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most crew won't give a damn as they'll be busy getting on with other more important things.
Perhaps you might consider the possibility that they appear that they don't "give a damn" ... but infact its only because they don't have eyes on the back of their head and are busy with other duties.
I'm sure they would be more than happy to enforce the policy if they had a spare moment.
I would call that suggestion... taking advantage !
he odds of your little Videocam bringing a 747
We're not just talking about electrical interference.
If a member of crew does take objection and tell you to turn it off, nothing lost by saying sorry and doing so.
Instead of adhering to the safety briefing as you should have, you have just been given a lawful order by a member of the crew. Consider it your first strike.
They might not show it outwardly out of politeness and good training, but believe me..... they won't be best pleased that you've ignored the airline policies that are widely published and that you've been reminded of during the safety briefing.
Also another question, what happens during an emergency? Are you going to leave your camera behind like you should or are you going to insist on taking your precious little toy with you (perhaps even wasting time packing it into a padded case). Assuming of course it hasn't gone flying around the cabin and hit someone on the head.
Washingtondave did say one good thing though.......
this thread has run it's course
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Oh dear, I said it would be my last, but I just have to reply to clear up some confusion.
Torque tonight, I mistyped life belt in my haste for life jacket. I think if you read the line in the context it was stated you could have worked that out. For your information I keep my seat belt, which is what you implied I meant, loosely fastened throughout every flight. As I said, I take safety, especially my own, seriously. So please don't call me stupid.
I don't have the luxury of 840 hours annual flying, so flying to me, airport hassles side, is still of interest so don't rubbish my views (pun intended).
As for being more concerned about saving my little camera at the expense of my own and everyone else's safety, please at least give me the credit of more common sense than you suggest.
Formulating search queries is a black art at the best of times, so I'm sorry if I wasn't clever enough to hit on the right terms. Maybe with your imparted wisdom I will be more successful in future.
Torque tonight, I mistyped life belt in my haste for life jacket. I think if you read the line in the context it was stated you could have worked that out. For your information I keep my seat belt, which is what you implied I meant, loosely fastened throughout every flight. As I said, I take safety, especially my own, seriously. So please don't call me stupid.
I don't have the luxury of 840 hours annual flying, so flying to me, airport hassles side, is still of interest so don't rubbish my views (pun intended).
As for being more concerned about saving my little camera at the expense of my own and everyone else's safety, please at least give me the credit of more common sense than you suggest.
Formulating search queries is a black art at the best of times, so I'm sorry if I wasn't clever enough to hit on the right terms. Maybe with your imparted wisdom I will be more successful in future.
I always find the 'switch off electronic equipment' amusing in its failure to consider what it means. Does it REALLY mean 'ALL electronic equipment?'
Wrist watches. Pacemakers/Defibrillators. Hearing Aids. Other medical implants e.g. those for control of Parkinson's disease, sphincter control etc....
Typically, the people who write the briefing haven't thought of these .......
Wrist watches. Pacemakers/Defibrillators. Hearing Aids. Other medical implants e.g. those for control of Parkinson's disease, sphincter control etc....
Typically, the people who write the briefing haven't thought of these .......
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radeng,
I think you need look no further than the words "portable electronic devices".
Fairly obvious they refer to external rather implanted devices.
Also, if you look at JAA/CAA guidance documents and/or airline policy statements, they'll state something along the lines of "Restriction does not apply to approved medical devices".
I think you need look no further than the words "portable electronic devices".
Fairly obvious they refer to external rather implanted devices.
Also, if you look at JAA/CAA guidance documents and/or airline policy statements, they'll state something along the lines of "Restriction does not apply to approved medical devices".
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Apologies TT...age and in-flight radiation perhaps taking their toll.
So washingtondave, the Bolex16 (Im sure extremely well priced) would appear to solve the problem - but possibly not for our resident head-banger methinks...
So washingtondave, the Bolex16 (Im sure extremely well priced) would appear to solve the problem - but possibly not for our resident head-banger methinks...
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Certain people here have convinced themselves that what they want to do is OK and are not prepared under any circumstances to countenance any opinion to the contrary, instead preferring to make obscure and unsubstantiated claims that such alternative opinions are a "grey area" or ignoring the fact that we're not simply talking about "bringing a 747 to the ground" here.
Multiple people here have attempted to reason with the insistent camp with zero effect. So what else can one reasonably do apart from despair at such a display of arrogance where people have already made their minds up about the answer they want to hear and are just coming here to gather more of the supporting views they seek and ignore the opposite views as noise.
Just to keep you happy, one more headbang... .... and I'm outta here !
Multiple people here have attempted to reason with the insistent camp with zero effect. So what else can one reasonably do apart from despair at such a display of arrogance where people have already made their minds up about the answer they want to hear and are just coming here to gather more of the supporting views they seek and ignore the opposite views as noise.
Just to keep you happy, one more headbang...
.... and I'm outta here !
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Do calm down dear, it's only a point of view.
Those of us here that do actually fly quite a lot as passengers (as opposed to those who pretend they do) are very able to ensure that they behave appropriately.
Those of us here that do actually fly quite a lot as passengers (as opposed to those who pretend they do) are very able to ensure that they behave appropriately.
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Wow - assuming some of the comments here are from forum members that are Cabin Crew, you are quite rude arent you!
The OP asked a question. Why the abuse and personal assumptions?
Not nice
The OP asked a question. Why the abuse and personal assumptions?
Not nice
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washingtondave you're quite a funny bloke...
Well perhaps you should. What you've posted on this thread is a classic example. Even after saying
you're still coming up with stuff like the below:
All of which boils down to "Others do it so why not me?", "It's just for personal use", and "It's only a small camera."
None of which is relevant to your situation.
DIVOSH!
Di Vosh, I was indeed hoping for some positive news but I'm not going to delve into the psychological aspects of "confirmation bias".
and I have received a number of responses, none approving
Whilst I can accept that some flightdeck videos "are NOT sanctioned" by the airline involved, the frequency of some of them by the same person suggests some of them were by pilots who have not been disciplined. To comply with moderation rules, I will not name names or airlines, but there is one person who has stated he has the sanction of his employer, and has many videos both from the the flightdeck and the cabin when, like ourselves, he/she was SLF.
Again for the record, I had no intention of posting anything on Youtube or Facebook, merely a desire to record some of the things I see and enjoy through the window, such as the sight of Paris from the port side travelling south, or manouvering around a towering CumuloNimbus on a flight from NCE-NCL, or the snow covered Jura and Alps whilst in the hold prior to a long downwind for runway 05 at Geneva.
Just for the record, the PED I would have liked to use, is a small sports video camera (as small as the palm of my hand which can be safely secured via a suction cup) which is used by a firm mounting in car, strapped to a bike or a helmet whilst skiing. Unlike a phone, or Ipad (which I now see are being used for EFBs), it does not transmit either a wi-fi, 3G/4G or bluetooth signal. The electronics of the camera are merely used to record video.
None of which is relevant to your situation.
DIVOSH!
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Fantastic contribution to the thread there sunshine. 
If you bothered to read the thread you'd have noticed that the responses were pretty informative and neutral until WD kept on posting that he knew better. The tone of the responses went downhill after that.
DIVOSH!
Wow - assuming some of the comments here are from forum members that are Cabin Crew, you are quite rude arent you!
The OP asked a question. Why the abuse and personal assumptions?
The OP asked a question. Why the abuse and personal assumptions?
If you bothered to read the thread you'd have noticed that the responses were pretty informative and neutral until WD kept on posting that he knew better. The tone of the responses went downhill after that.
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LOL!
I've made several contributions to this thread, where all you've managed to do is (out of nowhere) abuse several people.
All you could do in reply to me is more of the same, in spite of my comments regarding how the tone of the thread changed in response to WD's intransigence.
Flight and Cabin crew have to deal with all kinds of passenger issues and this one comes up regularly. I've disembarked passengers who refuse to comply with lawful instructions, and have had others met by police at the other end.
One day, if you ever find yourself the Captain of an aircraft you might understand...
DIVOSH!
Exxb, I agree. However this thread started as a legal issue which later morphed into a thread about a person and his desire to do something even though he knew it wasn't allowed. Then some random comes in with abuse...
I've made several contributions to this thread, where all you've managed to do is (out of nowhere) abuse several people.
All you could do in reply to me is more of the same, in spite of my comments regarding how the tone of the thread changed in response to WD's intransigence.
Flight and Cabin crew have to deal with all kinds of passenger issues and this one comes up regularly. I've disembarked passengers who refuse to comply with lawful instructions, and have had others met by police at the other end.
One day, if you ever find yourself the Captain of an aircraft you might understand...
DIVOSH!
Exxb, I agree. However this thread started as a legal issue which later morphed into a thread about a person and his desire to do something even though he knew it wasn't allowed. Then some random comes in with abuse...
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Oh dear Mr Captain boy
If you cant cope with a bit of banter, i dread to think how you'd cope in a seriously stressful situation
I feel sorry for the FO on your flights
Next . . .
If you cant cope with a bit of banter, i dread to think how you'd cope in a seriously stressful situation
I feel sorry for the FO on your flights
Next . . .
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Trying to be totally objective here, back in the days before PED's etc, etc. It was quite commonplace to see pax with box brownies or more sophisticated (heavy as bricks) SLR's, or even bulkier super 8 cine cameras, happily snapping through the cabin windows without any request to do otherwise.
Even today, I see CC requesting people to switch off PED's, but there is no request to stow them away. I have also seen people using binoculars, and been left to it, while compact camera users etc have been requested to turn them off.
This would seem to suggest that the arguments about objects flying around the cabin or distraction of users are not of concern to the authorities, but it is only the electrical interference issues (and that's good enough for me to do as I'm told)..
Even today, I see CC requesting people to switch off PED's, but there is no request to stow them away. I have also seen people using binoculars, and been left to it, while compact camera users etc have been requested to turn them off.
This would seem to suggest that the arguments about objects flying around the cabin or distraction of users are not of concern to the authorities, but it is only the electrical interference issues (and that's good enough for me to do as I'm told)..
Another point not stressed enough about these regulations and rules is that they have to be written with the 'lowest common denominator' in mind.
The public are sadly, morons. (I speak as one of the public, not as crew btw - but I'm sure they are morons too in some cases away from aviation)
Look at the behavior around the airport and in life in general -
...to illustrate, I could go on, sorry for the drift.
It just illustrates that rules have to be written with the most stupid in mind as a starting point as sadly common sense cannot be relied upon any more.
I'm just sorry that people think that the rules shouldn't apply to them or want to continually question - do they really think they are there to stop others fun?
No wonder crews are maligned for being a bit grumpy sometimes, they have a lot of plonkers to assist and serve - and don't lets even start on the erosion of common manners and decency in society.
I feel a little better now. Carry on.
The public are sadly, morons. (I speak as one of the public, not as crew btw - but I'm sure they are morons too in some cases away from aviation)
Look at the behavior around the airport and in life in general -
- Around the baggage carousel 1cm from the belt
- Jostling to be first out of the plane only to sit on a bus outside or wait at immigration anyway.
- Wearing shorts to travel in (only acceptable if both arrival and destination is within the tropics)
- Wearing a football shirt if over the age of 25 outside of a football ground
- Driving down the middle lane of the motorway with the inside lane free of traffic.
- Not realising that EVERY petrol pump in the country will stretch to the other side of the car.
- The Only Way is Essex
...to illustrate, I could go on, sorry for the drift.
It just illustrates that rules have to be written with the most stupid in mind as a starting point as sadly common sense cannot be relied upon any more.
I'm just sorry that people think that the rules shouldn't apply to them or want to continually question - do they really think they are there to stop others fun?
No wonder crews are maligned for being a bit grumpy sometimes, they have a lot of plonkers to assist and serve - and don't lets even start on the erosion of common manners and decency in society.
I feel a little better now. Carry on.