Dornier 228: How do you get out?
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Dornier 228: How do you get out?
As someone who just flies as SLF these days I hope it's useful to flag up potential problems which passengers may encounter - particularly in evacuating from smaller airliners (i.e. below 20 seats) which don't carry flight attendants.
A couple of weeks ago there were some very useful responses to a point I'd raised about how passengers - in an emergency - should go about opening the door of a Jetstream; because the passenger safety card wasn't very clear.
The Dornier 228 seems a better aircraft than the Jetstream as it has four exits as opposed the Jetstream's two . However there's still only the one door. - and this (see photo) is what passengers are confronted with in an emergency.
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/...l/DSC04720.jpg
You'll see that the word "pull" has worn off the red handle. The added complication is that, in any case, the passenger has to press a silver button located below the handle BEFORE operating the handle itself. Unfortunately the wording adjacent to the button doesn't say "Push Button to Open" it just says "Push to Open" - raising the question "Push what"? (We're assuming a full emergency here with fire and people panicking).
As usual the flight safety card in the seat pockets doesn't help.
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/...l/DSC04719.jpg
The card seems to show the button in the same position as the door handle - but doesn't actually make it clear these are two different features on the door with the button being located below the handle. The card also shows the door handle being moved to a down position - or from a down position to a horisontal position - to open the door. However the real door handle is in a horizontal position when locked and has to be (a) pulled out and (b) moved upwards to a vertical position (or at least that's what I saw the pilots doing when they opened it from inside).
I realise that most people would probably work this out eventually - but in a situation where seconds count - it could matter. I wondered if anyone else has any thoughts on this?
A couple of weeks ago there were some very useful responses to a point I'd raised about how passengers - in an emergency - should go about opening the door of a Jetstream; because the passenger safety card wasn't very clear.
The Dornier 228 seems a better aircraft than the Jetstream as it has four exits as opposed the Jetstream's two . However there's still only the one door. - and this (see photo) is what passengers are confronted with in an emergency.
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/...l/DSC04720.jpg
You'll see that the word "pull" has worn off the red handle. The added complication is that, in any case, the passenger has to press a silver button located below the handle BEFORE operating the handle itself. Unfortunately the wording adjacent to the button doesn't say "Push Button to Open" it just says "Push to Open" - raising the question "Push what"? (We're assuming a full emergency here with fire and people panicking).
As usual the flight safety card in the seat pockets doesn't help.
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/...l/DSC04719.jpg
The card seems to show the button in the same position as the door handle - but doesn't actually make it clear these are two different features on the door with the button being located below the handle. The card also shows the door handle being moved to a down position - or from a down position to a horisontal position - to open the door. However the real door handle is in a horizontal position when locked and has to be (a) pulled out and (b) moved upwards to a vertical position (or at least that's what I saw the pilots doing when they opened it from inside).
I realise that most people would probably work this out eventually - but in a situation where seconds count - it could matter. I wondered if anyone else has any thoughts on this?
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Have never been in a D228 but the picture of the card shows it to be downright confusing as it obviously does not represent the door controls. The picture of the door is downright scary, showing a lack of decorative maintenance that could have serious consequences.
May I suggest that you send copies to the CEO of the carrier? Give details of the flight that you were on and send it recorded delivery.
May I suggest that you send copies to the CEO of the carrier? Give details of the flight that you were on and send it recorded delivery.
If you are referring to the rear door of the aircraft may I point out that the rear door opens in a two. As you see the aircraft from the outside for normal ops only the left part is opened. If an oversize load need to be (un)loaded the right part can be open also. I understand the button is for opening the right part of the door maybe that's why is low as to be pressed from the outside.
I agree with the lack of cleaning giving a bad image.
The above don't help much the clarity issue on the card but might explain the various issues.
Rwy in Sight
I agree with the lack of cleaning giving a bad image.
The above don't help much the clarity issue on the card but might explain the various issues.
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I am slightly alarmed, that the instruction card shows for both A and B, that it is apparently a pre-requisite to have super hero X-ray vision for the first action.
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