BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions IV
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Use of Latin
I thought it was "Post hoc ergo....." but you make a good point.
O tempora, o mores.
Next thing you know BASSA will be shouting "Adeste Comites" - but I suspect it will be much in the way of Gen. Custer
O tempora, o mores.
Next thing you know BASSA will be shouting "Adeste Comites" - but I suspect it will be much in the way of Gen. Custer
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There are people on your side of the fence who join in this discussion, and I welcome it.
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Shaka Zulu, on "the other" thread, has told us:
I wonder what that person's take would be on the flight deck crew that operated my 777 JFK-LHR flight last week? All three pilots were women.
It would appear that cabin crew, and by de facto, predominantly women, had to be kept in their place at any cost.
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Originally Posted by Chuchinchow
If you take the trouble to read my past messages you will see "on which side of the fence" I sit. But clearly you have not.
Your views are clearly expressed. You do, however, sit on two fences
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Whilst on my recent trip to the beautiful island of Grenada I met a fellow holiday maker whilst having my morning exercise on the lovely, sandy beach. We eventually started conversing about air travel & in particular BA, which we both had used from LGW. She then launched into a vicious attack on WW & told me in great detail what she would like to do to him!
I was somewhat taken aback until she revealed that her daughter is LHR based CC. I soon gave up attempting to reason with her as it became very apparent that her daughter is an ardent Bassa supporter! It was quite a shock to hear at first hand some of the Bassa tripe which has been published on PPrune!
As an aside, both our flights were absolutely packed & the service was, as ever, both friendly & efficient. We landed at LGW yesterday morning, 40 minutes early!
I was somewhat taken aback until she revealed that her daughter is LHR based CC. I soon gave up attempting to reason with her as it became very apparent that her daughter is an ardent Bassa supporter! It was quite a shock to hear at first hand some of the Bassa tripe which has been published on PPrune!
As an aside, both our flights were absolutely packed & the service was, as ever, both friendly & efficient. We landed at LGW yesterday morning, 40 minutes early!
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It's worth taking a look at the offer which was sent out most recently to BA cabin crew not in the Union:
http://www.uniteba.com/ESW/Files/151...llectivev6.doc
It does seem very reasonable to me; BA is restricted due to collective bargaining agreements from offering this directly to Unite members, but there's nothing to stop people leaving Unite, signing the deal when it (or one like it) is next offered and then rejoining their Union after.
http://www.uniteba.com/ESW/Files/151...llectivev6.doc
It does seem very reasonable to me; BA is restricted due to collective bargaining agreements from offering this directly to Unite members, but there's nothing to stop people leaving Unite, signing the deal when it (or one like it) is next offered and then rejoining their Union after.
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I refer the honorable gentleman to the answer I gave some days ago.
I wonder how many have followed Holley's order on 23 January for non-strikers and no-voters to resign from BASSA and accept the above offer?
Now BA's plans are in the open I would like to send this message to everyone who has either left BASSA, voted NO, or to a lesser extent not voted. You have been given your say and the majority has spoken.
If you have any integrity you should accept Bill Francis's offer straight away because your actions and votes are a tacit acceptance of what BA propose.
Don't sit back and see if your brave colleagues who voted YES can fight your fight for you.
That is cowardice.
You have made your bed and now you must lie in it, alongside Bill. Good Luck, it has been nice knowing you.
I wonder how many have followed Holley's order on 23 January for non-strikers and no-voters to resign from BASSA and accept the above offer?
Originally Posted by Duncan Holley
Now BA's plans are in the open I would like to send this message to everyone who has either left BASSA, voted NO, or to a lesser extent not voted. You have been given your say and the majority has spoken.
If you have any integrity you should accept Bill Francis's offer straight away because your actions and votes are a tacit acceptance of what BA propose.
Don't sit back and see if your brave colleagues who voted YES can fight your fight for you.
That is cowardice.
You have made your bed and now you must lie in it, alongside Bill. Good Luck, it has been nice knowing you.
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So why post so much information and especially the info that says you can personally seek what you appear to desire, if you want others to carry out the work for you? What have you got to loose or hide?
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Rather the question should be what has Duncan Holley got to lose (not loose) or hide from breaking the law and not making the BASSA accounts available to his members and former members.
You are, as is ever the BASSA way, personalising the discussion.
It's not a strategy which has worked, and nor will it.
I have nothing whatsoever to do with BA, BASSA, Unions, Union-bashing organisations such as the Burke Group, or the transport industry more generally and nor does anyone connected with me, if that's what you are implying.
In fact I believe very strongly that in lower paid cyclical industries such as BA, business-minded, pragmatic employee representation is essential. It would be good for BASSA to have the right leadership, though personally I think the "brand" is too damaged to ever recover.
This BASSA shower of a leadership team has woefully misrepresented its membership, but it is for its (ever diminishing) membership to realise this and take action itself.
Threads like this set that out, and provide the evidence required for people to make up their own minds, unlike other sites where dissention is censored and adult discussion stymied.
The transparency of the BASSA accounts are a matter for BASSA members/former members in the first instance, as the accounts themselves can only be made available to BASSA members or former members and not members of the general public.
You are, as is ever the BASSA way, personalising the discussion.
It's not a strategy which has worked, and nor will it.
I have nothing whatsoever to do with BA, BASSA, Unions, Union-bashing organisations such as the Burke Group, or the transport industry more generally and nor does anyone connected with me, if that's what you are implying.
In fact I believe very strongly that in lower paid cyclical industries such as BA, business-minded, pragmatic employee representation is essential. It would be good for BASSA to have the right leadership, though personally I think the "brand" is too damaged to ever recover.
This BASSA shower of a leadership team has woefully misrepresented its membership, but it is for its (ever diminishing) membership to realise this and take action itself.
Threads like this set that out, and provide the evidence required for people to make up their own minds, unlike other sites where dissention is censored and adult discussion stymied.
The transparency of the BASSA accounts are a matter for BASSA members/former members in the first instance, as the accounts themselves can only be made available to BASSA members or former members and not members of the general public.
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You have to personalise the issue, because you are representing your own position. You found some information which you posted on this thread to say that anyone could approach the CO. You are obviously interested in the result, so why not find out for yourself and report back?
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I don't believe that the Certification Officer would be responsive to a suspicion aired by a member of the public anyway, unless there was evidence to suggest that there was good reason to intervene. Otherwise any Tom, Dick or Harriet could ring in a suspicion and the whole system would degenerate into turmoil.
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Quite right.
There is no evidence or suggestion of fraud on the part of BASSA, but it is now in violation of the law for not permitting access for members and former members to its accounts within 28 days of being asked to do so.
This is being addressed by Bw who has made representations to the Certification Officer, setting out concerns, in response to BASSA's contemptable response to the original enquiry:
Other BASSA members and former members can set out similar concerns here, simply using this online form:
Certification Officer - Complaints
I am sure all Union members would welcome the easy availability of a route of escalation, supporting the "little man" in the fight for transparency against large, powerful and well financed organisations with a reputation for bully-boy tactics.
There is no evidence or suggestion of fraud on the part of BASSA, but it is now in violation of the law for not permitting access for members and former members to its accounts within 28 days of being asked to do so.
This is being addressed by Bw who has made representations to the Certification Officer, setting out concerns, in response to BASSA's contemptable response to the original enquiry:
Originally Posted by BASSA Admin
Dear XXXXXX,
Your request for the audited accounts of the BASSA branch of Unite have been forwarded to me by XXXXX XXXXX. I have now had a chance to make enquiries on your behalf.
We have been made aware of a campaign on various discussion forums to expose alleged financial irregularity involving this branch. Your correspondence appears to repeat these insinuations. I can assure you that these allegations are completely baseless and potentially libellous.We cannot agree with your assertion that these branch accounts have been requested by "many members". In fact your request is the first such made to the best of my knowledge.
We have been told by the branch secretary that the accounts you are seeking are not available at this time. If at any time in the future they do become available for members and ex members to view, we will endeavour to make that known to you. As is common practice we will always insist that you view such accounts unaccompanied on Unite premises and in the strictest confidence.
If there are any further queries you have on the accounts of this branch please get back in touch with me directly.
In the meantime I thank you for your concern and for your continued support of Unite the Union.
In solidarity,
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Your request for the audited accounts of the BASSA branch of Unite have been forwarded to me by XXXXX XXXXX. I have now had a chance to make enquiries on your behalf.
We have been made aware of a campaign on various discussion forums to expose alleged financial irregularity involving this branch. Your correspondence appears to repeat these insinuations. I can assure you that these allegations are completely baseless and potentially libellous.We cannot agree with your assertion that these branch accounts have been requested by "many members". In fact your request is the first such made to the best of my knowledge.
We have been told by the branch secretary that the accounts you are seeking are not available at this time. If at any time in the future they do become available for members and ex members to view, we will endeavour to make that known to you. As is common practice we will always insist that you view such accounts unaccompanied on Unite premises and in the strictest confidence.
If there are any further queries you have on the accounts of this branch please get back in touch with me directly.
In the meantime I thank you for your concern and for your continued support of Unite the Union.
In solidarity,
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Certification Officer - Complaints
I am sure all Union members would welcome the easy availability of a route of escalation, supporting the "little man" in the fight for transparency against large, powerful and well financed organisations with a reputation for bully-boy tactics.
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Why would the CO not be interested? There are regulations that allow inquiry from informed and interested individuals, which it seems you are, so why not apply along with posting information for others to do so.
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I have looked at the decisions page and not seen anything yet, but I am sure that this sort of thing takes time.
The last decision with Unite involved, was from a Mr. Kruger in January.
The last decision with Unite involved, was from a Mr. Kruger in January.
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I would hope so, Bw stated on the other thread on Saturday 12th March that they planned to contact the CO on Monday 14th March:
Originally Posted by BASSAwitch
Back to BASSA....
Can we get back to the immediate industrial situation now please?
I've just got back from hols and surprise surprise no BASSA account info. They have failed in providing the information mandated by the Certification Officer so I'm putting in an official complaint on Monday. They'll soon learn who I am so I expect a barrage of abuse before the end of the week. Animals.
I have also heard from my source at Watford tribunal that Mr Holley has lost his ET. He is due to receive a letter next week but he has been told verbally. Is this on the BASSA forum yet? If not why not?
There doesn't seem to be anything on the internet about it except here. Comments after the article are HILARIOUS.
Can we get back to the immediate industrial situation now please?
I've just got back from hols and surprise surprise no BASSA account info. They have failed in providing the information mandated by the Certification Officer so I'm putting in an official complaint on Monday. They'll soon learn who I am so I expect a barrage of abuse before the end of the week. Animals.
I have also heard from my source at Watford tribunal that Mr Holley has lost his ET. He is due to receive a letter next week but he has been told verbally. Is this on the BASSA forum yet? If not why not?
There doesn't seem to be anything on the internet about it except here. Comments after the article are HILARIOUS.