Pilot Reading
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From: adelaide australia
Pilot Reading
I can't find the thread now, but on one of the other forums a couple days ago, I read about a difference of opinion between Pilot Flying and PNF regarding reading on the flight deck on Short Haul flights.
In a nutshell, old Captain chastises young FO (PNF) for pulling out a novel at TOC. (Apparently without asking permission to read)
Young FOs and SOs complain that there's no issue with what they're doing as they are PNF.
I wondered what the SLF thinks?
How would you feel if you could see that only one pilot is monitoring the systems?
How come they put two pilots in the cockpit then?
What about that critical 45 seconds (from all the Air Crash Investigations Shows) where the PF doesn't notice the divergence from the planned route and the AC goes out of control? could the PNF not be of assistance here?
My thoughts are: they're getting paid to fly and there are two of them for a reason. I certainly wouldn't be happy knowing that they're reading ANYTHING or doing anything but looking out if they're not flying.
Is the job so boring that on short haul you feel the need to escape? Maybe they should consider alternative employment if the job is so boring. I am certain there are plenty of keen types who would take your place.
I suspect this is a Gen X vs Gen Y multitasking and manners issue...
Now, lets see how long this thread lasts!
In a nutshell, old Captain chastises young FO (PNF) for pulling out a novel at TOC. (Apparently without asking permission to read)
Young FOs and SOs complain that there's no issue with what they're doing as they are PNF.
I wondered what the SLF thinks?
How would you feel if you could see that only one pilot is monitoring the systems?
How come they put two pilots in the cockpit then?
What about that critical 45 seconds (from all the Air Crash Investigations Shows) where the PF doesn't notice the divergence from the planned route and the AC goes out of control? could the PNF not be of assistance here?
My thoughts are: they're getting paid to fly and there are two of them for a reason. I certainly wouldn't be happy knowing that they're reading ANYTHING or doing anything but looking out if they're not flying.
Is the job so boring that on short haul you feel the need to escape? Maybe they should consider alternative employment if the job is so boring. I am certain there are plenty of keen types who would take your place.
I suspect this is a Gen X vs Gen Y multitasking and manners issue...
Now, lets see how long this thread lasts!
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From: Hamptonne
WTF is PNF? Who is TOC?
Please dispense with all the oh-so-clever acronyms if you want passengers' opinions.
After all, we are "only" self-loading freight. We pay you to fly the aircraft.
Or, put another way, when I had my by-pass operation, the medical students did not solicit my opinions on the surgeon's modus operandi.
Please dispense with all the oh-so-clever acronyms if you want passengers' opinions.
After all, we are "only" self-loading freight. We pay you to fly the aircraft.
Or, put another way, when I had my by-pass operation, the medical students did not solicit my opinions on the surgeon's modus operandi.
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From: Melbourne
Acronyms:
TOC = Top Of Climb
PNF = Pilot Not Flying
PF = Pilot Flying
In that case, please explain what WTF means? 
DIVOSH!
TOC = Top Of Climb
PNF = Pilot Not Flying
PF = Pilot Flying
Please dispense with all the oh-so-clever acronyms if you want passengers' opinions.
DIVOSH!
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From: Hertfordshire, UK.
Well said CCC. How can I know what is best for a job that I do not do? If you want to do my job, I'll train you and when you've had a minimum of six months experience - I'll ask you if I can read during certain stages of my working day!!
Just get us there, safely, calmly - like it says in the advertisements!!! I'm sure that they will enjoy this debate in JetBlast ...
Just get us there, safely, calmly - like it says in the advertisements!!! I'm sure that they will enjoy this debate in JetBlast ...
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From: Banffshire
Couldn't agree more with PAXBOY and CCC. If I didn't trust the crew to know what they are doing I wouldn't get on the aircraft in the first place. So far as the 45 secs referred to is concerned - presumably going to the toilet is out of the question as well. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
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From: UK
Folks - gileraguy seems to specialise in topics in Jet Blast & Military Forums - Be aware that this thread may just have been posted here for devilment with the intention of winding you up. Therefore, as you have so far, treat it with care and some suspicion.
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gileraguy
I don't think that we are competent to answer your question.
At a general level, when working in teams, it is wise to ask the leader for consent when doing anything that is different to the normal procedures - if nothing else, as a courtesy.
I don't think that we are competent to answer your question.
At a general level, when working in teams, it is wise to ask the leader for consent when doing anything that is different to the normal procedures - if nothing else, as a courtesy.
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From: Lemonia. Best Greek in the world
If this should have been in JB, might I be permitted to ask whether or not the book was a good book, and was it one of the books in lars' "Great Read" threads?
Go to JB to have a look........................
Go to JB to have a look........................
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From: Doon the watter, a million miles from the sandpit.
I saw this thread last night after a long four-sector day, and it made absolutely no sense. This morning, after a good night's sleep, I still can't understand what the OP is getting at, and can only assume it's a fishing trip. However, as I'm positioning this afternoon, and thus qualify as 'SLF', I'll have a go at a serious answer.
If I buy a ticket to fly from A to B, then I'll sit in the back reading my newspaper, safe in the knowledge that – whatever the individual qualities of the pilots on that day – the airline and regulator will have a put in place a system that is statistically several orders of magnitude safer than my drive to the airport.
Good enough for me.
If I buy a ticket to fly from A to B, then I'll sit in the back reading my newspaper, safe in the knowledge that – whatever the individual qualities of the pilots on that day – the airline and regulator will have a put in place a system that is statistically several orders of magnitude safer than my drive to the airport.
Good enough for me.
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From: Bristol, UK
Not being conversant with the duties of a pilot, I don't know enough about the issue (if such an issue even exists) to have an informed opinion on the subject. Why would the opinions of passengers on a subject we know little or nothing about have any relevance whatsoever?
