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BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions II

Old 17th Jun 2010, 10:17
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The pro-striker attitude...

FACT. I withdrew my labour and played my part in being responsible for over 150 million pounds of costs.
The more I read form the pro-strike camp the more I become convinced that we are dealing with a very unworthy bunch.

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Old 17th Jun 2010, 10:22
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oggers:

When reading comments such as the one you posted it is certainly hard to disagree with you.

What is amazing is that some of these people fail to realize that BA thought that that price was a bargain.

I suppose when you go through a failed strike and end up with much less than you started with you have to try to scavange a victory somewhere, however absurd it seems to others.
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Old 17th Jun 2010, 11:19
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oggers,

I may not agree with the strike but the post you have quoted has been taken totally out of context, presumably in an effort to make it look more dramatic and fuel the fire. I think it's only fair that it be placed back into the context in which it was written.

FACT. BA without agreement from my representatives took my transfer right from me. FACT. I withdrew my labour and played my part in being responsible for over 150 million pounds of costs. RESULT. Neither BA nor I won. I think this is typical in any trade dispute which results in industrial action.
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Old 17th Jun 2010, 11:19
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Posted by MissM on the other thread
I have seen the list of routes and some of them are YYC, MRU, ORD, CPH and SOF. It's a very tactical move of BA to choose some of the least popular destinations for New Fleet. What were they hoping to gain by choosing these ones and not some of our more lucrative and popular destinations?

I hope someone over there answers this one. I would guess BA were trying to get CC to accept new fleet by starting with unpopular, low paying routes. What else? I daresay it is a tactical move, but why look beyond BA trying to get acceptance to the idea of new fleet? Talk about mistrust. If BA had offered popular routes to NF, BASSA would have had a field day complaining about it.

Besides, the 'lucrative' routes won't be once the MTP comes in, although I daresay, some will still be popular just because of where they are.
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Old 17th Jun 2010, 13:33
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Besides, the 'lucrative' routes won't be once the MTP comes in, although I daresay, some will still be popular just because of where they are.
....which is one of the benefits of the MTP, request trips can now be populated with places that you would actually like to go to rather than just the high paying routes.

If it didnt pay so well would many actually want to go to NRT, really?
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Old 17th Jun 2010, 22:17
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I hope someone over there answers this one. I would guess BA were trying to get CC to accept new fleet by starting with unpopular, low paying routes. What else? I daresay it is a tactical move, but why look beyond BA trying to get acceptance to the idea of new fleet? Talk about mistrust. If BA had offered popular routes to NF, BASSA would have had a field day complaining about it.
With apologies to Jim Bowen its another bit of "lets have a look at what you could have won". BA know full well that BASSA arent agreeing anything, so when the inevitable happens BA will transfer the routes they actually want to transfer and blame BASSA for the extra cost savings becoming necessary.

BA are getting savings way beyond what most of us expected by using the fact BASSA say no to everything and just ratcheting up the pressure each time they do. So far the strikes have cost about a 777 and a half. Pretty good value for money in comparison.
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Old 17th Jun 2010, 22:24
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There are other fractors involved with transferring routes to other staff, who have been flying them during the strikes.
It's a part of it that BASSA haven't picked upon, but has been hinted on by LGW and one of WW's statements in a BA communication.
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Old 18th Jun 2010, 06:32
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Bassa mentality

While real news concerning the ongoing dispute is scarce the story is still interesting.

Anythining I have seen including some posters in the other thread are allmost Orwellian in nature with a soupcon of the
Che Guevara's.

The few who are sticking their heads above the parapets seem increasingly concerned in defending the strike with supposition and hearsay rather than proving the barrage of questions sent their way by other posters as wrong.
Ignorance is strength.

definition Owellian wikipedia; "..
It connotes an attitude and a policy of control by propaganda, surveillance, misinformation, denial of truth.."
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Old 18th Jun 2010, 09:38
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After next week's budget when the massive cuts in the public sector will be announced, Unite will have it's' hands full organising meetings & ballots for its' millions of public service members. Any concern for Bassa will be firmly on the back burner, in fact will probably be consigned to the dustbin of history.

Bassa must surely realise that they have lost big time & should quietly get on with the task of saving BA or start looking for alternative employment.
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Old 18th Jun 2010, 11:54
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Bassa must surely realise that they have lost big time
Probably not. Did the stevedores accept that container ships had changed their world? Did the miners accept that economics had changed? Did the printers accept that Murdoch had broken Fleet Street?

It tends to be the case that groups with an entrenched position remain convinced that they were right - till the end of their days. Some printers will admit that they had it too good and that they got away with false practices for a long time and then got on with something else - others never accepted the change. Those who are stuck in old ways of doing things are left behind.

I worked in telecommunications for 27 years and was a specialist in voice based equipment (PABX, voice networks and associated equipment) but some of the things that cost thousands of pounds and required careful set up - can now be bought for a couple of hundred from an online catalogue and arrive ready to go. So I went and did other things.

The law of averages says that some of BASSAs people will know that. Some will be holding on hoping that they will win one more time but most will be realising that it is over. The leaders however, cannot do so. They have become so involved that simple male pride will not allow them to change. Ask Arthur Scargill if he was right?
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Old 18th Jun 2010, 11:57
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They have become so involved that simple male pride will not allow them to change. Ask Arthur Scargill if he was right?
There's a slur on Malone I haven't heard before...

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Old 18th Jun 2010, 12:13
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Another 12 Weeks of Strikes

It seems UNITE/BASSA have written to its BA CC members announcing another 12 weeks of strikes from 3 August through to the 25 October. This is yet another attack on the average family holiday. Not being able to damage them at Christmas, they seem hell bent on ruining summer trips to Europe.

I expect we'll see a response from BA fairly shortly now.
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Old 18th Jun 2010, 13:54
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Another ballot--Anyone know what the question is?
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Old 18th Jun 2010, 15:38
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I'd love to be a 'fly on the wall' in the BASSA lawyers' chambers as they try and formulate a strategy that will convince the Courts that the next strike has nothing to do with the last one.
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Old 18th Jun 2010, 16:14
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ChicoG:

Quote:
They have become so involved that simple male pride will not allow them to change. Ask Arthur Scargill if he was right?
There's a slur on Malone I haven't heard before...


Funniest post in a long time. Many thanks.

BTW don't ask Arthur - we haven't got the time to listen to his response.
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Old 18th Jun 2010, 16:19
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Suggested Ballot Questions

Some suggested BASSA ballot questions that would not be in any way connected with the previous IA.

1. PIMMS or Lager?
2. Burgers or Sausage Rolls?
3. Bouncy Castle or Petting Zoo

All vital questions because they might be spending a lot of time at Bedfont - maybe even permanently.

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Old 18th Jun 2010, 19:45
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PC767 on the other thread

Quote: BASSA reps were happy to accept that each case should be viewed individually by ACAS, neutral, and an assessment made. From what I've heard, heresay I give you, some people deserved their suspension or dismissal but many others didn't. Case by case by a neutral party seems appropriate to me.

It appears to me when you look at previous historical input from PC767 that PC767s colours are nailed firmly to the BASSA mast, and current responses should be viewed in that light.

Therefore I ask... Why, bearing in mind Unite agreed the current disciplinary procedures with BA, and that there are laid down procedures to appeal against decisions made within these agreements, should Unite wish these procedures to be disregarded? Aren't there already sufficient safeguards within their agreed system?

Edit
It appears it took me so long to write that this is now superfluous to the arguments on the other thread.....
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Old 18th Jun 2010, 23:11
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So here we go again.

Soundings are that Tuesday's Budget is likely to result in very deep cuts to the public sector and tax increases for all.

This should illustrate just how severe the state of the economy is and how irrelevant this dispute is.
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Old 19th Jun 2010, 06:21
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R Knee

I found there request rather puzzling as i believe that they allready have independant review available to them as part of the disciplinary procedure appeal.

Another comment I was astounded at was from MissM. that she would accept a previous proposal put forward by BA. But her union didnt even put it to the members to accept or refuse..they ( give us names for public derision) just decided it wasnt good enough.

Any Union member whining regarding imposition should have those facts tatoo'd (sp) on their foreheads so they can see it every morning in the mirror.

So, The union doesn't doesn't like imposition, but when BA negotiated and tabled a proposal that could have been accepted it was dismissed out of hand.

They dont trust BA regarding disciplinaries and want an independant body to review them..errr you allready have that at appeal.

This leaves us with staff travel?
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Old 19th Jun 2010, 12:29
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So, The union doesn't doesn't like imposition, but when BA negotiated and tabled a proposal that could have been accepted it was dismissed out of hand
To BASSA its imposition, in any other department of BA or any other company it would be called managing your employees.

Unions are necessary to protect poor downtrodden employees. In this case did the cabin crew really need defending against a malevolent employer whose original offer they would now love to accept.
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