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Old 13th Sep 2010, 14:58
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I seem to remember it being under the reign of Horden and Street that Bassa got BA Ops to divert an aircraft in flight as the crew were at risk of going outside their industrial agreement (not scheme). The lever was threats of non-cooperation. Can you imagine that happening now? Just goes to show what a crazy messed up organisation BA once was.
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Old 13th Sep 2010, 16:00
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There aren't many outside camp Bassa who have known all the things that they have done over the years, but I bet WW has been told/advised of many of them. Thats why what is happening now will not change and the likes of DH,LM and the rest are still it seems in deep denial
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Old 13th Sep 2010, 16:28
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From the GMB website

Monday 13th September

GMB GROUND STAFF AT BA HEATHROW OVERWHELMING VOTE TO ACCEPT DEAL TO ASSIST TO SECURE FUTURE OF THE AIRLINE

This vote is a ringing endorsement of all the hard work done by GMB workplace negotiators at BA over 12 months to secure a negotiated settlement

Over 1,000 GMB members at employed as ground staff at British Airways at Heathrow have voted by an overwhelming 97% to accept an agreement recommended by negotiators last month to assist secure the future of the airline.

This agreement concludes negotiations on this issue which began in January 2009. The main features of the new deal are agreements on new employment and staffing levels, new arrangements for meal and other breaks, new arrangements on flexibility, agreements on ongoing procedures to deal with further changes that may become necessary over the coming period. Overall employment levels will fall by 500 (some 200 have already left), all by voluntary means and with reasonably enhanced severance arrangements and with provisions for redeployment. The deal also included a one year pay freeze to October 2010.

Mick Rix, GMB National Officer for civil aviation said "This vote is a ringing endorsement of all the hard work done by GMB workplace representatives at BA over 12 months to acheive a negotiated settlement to secure a future for the airline. GMB members hope that the future for BA will be bright and that when growth resumes that the prosperity can be shared between our members and the company."
This proves that BA can negotiate and so can unions (except BASSA). Also proves that BA are not into "breaking" unions. Anyone from BASSA care to comment on the last paragraph.

It's all about working together and this proves it beyond doubt.

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Old 13th Sep 2010, 16:53
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Can anybody explain to me why an organisation with 10,000 (??) , members paying £15 per month each does not employ professional staff to look after membership records, ballot organising etc. These tasks require no special sector industry knowledge. Surely, sensible convention would be that the reps represent members interest rather than undertaking the time consuming administrative minutiae ? Nor is it reasonable that an employer is compelled to release an individual rep to undertake such duties, whilst being paid by the employer ?

I can understand a union branch of say 50 people needing to do the admin voluntarily, but for a group with membership fees exceeding £1.8m pa it beggars belief. Or is there some ulterior reason for the union branch to organise this way ?
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Old 13th Sep 2010, 17:06
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cavorting.

It's easy to research, there is an acas code, and all the time off
provisions were brought together in sections 168 - 170 of the Trade
Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992.
Although 1982 is a long time ago, most of the post Thatcher Employment legislation in this area dates back to the 80s and earlier.
Union duties must relate to the officialís own employer
and not, for example, to any associated employer.

There is a distinction between duties and activities.

If DH has said in the public domain that he wanted the time off to update the branch records, that is, at best an activity, not a duty. Some ETs would NOT even regard it as an activity as defined by the law and acas.

Duties are to do with the relationship with the employer.
I should not repeat theacas code here. You can find it at

http://www.acas.org.uk/media/pdf/l/q/CP03_1.pdf

Note one quote "There is no right to time off for trade union activities which themselves consist of industrial action." getting a ballot ready for Industrial action will fall in to this category.

Finally - it is the Rep's task to ASK FOR time off - not to just take it!


On the GMB deal, the GMB is run more as a business than as a "battling" TU. It is more interested in gaining members and organising the members than it is in striking - but as they've shown at Astra Zeneca, if they have to strike they will do. Both Mick Rix (Aviation) and Alan Black. (Chems/Pharms) are people who can do deals. Mick has an interesting background................

Alan should be a Prof. at a leading Business School. Quite why he's an FTO I have no idea.
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Old 13th Sep 2010, 17:28
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Ancient Observer,
Thank you for that very detailed explanation to my question which I much appreciate. The ACAS document is a little open to individual interpretation I should have thought. So thank you for pointing out some of the more salient points. I would have think it reasonable to assume that anyone who was used to working within the framework of the document would be well aware of its actual boundaries. Reasonable however was always a very individual word and has often been left to the law courts in its interpretation.
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Old 13th Sep 2010, 17:35
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On the GMB deal, the GMB is run more as a business than as a "battling" TU.
Its not just a GMB deal, Unites members on the ground have also voted and accepted overwhelmingly.
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Old 13th Sep 2010, 23:16
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The problem has been that generally MOST reps have used the system to get out of unwanted trips.
A reasonable solution to that problem, and to the general one of people "going sick" before an unpopular trip, might be to arrange matters so that on returning to work their first trip was the one they missed. A side effect would be that anyone missing a lucrative trip for a genuine reason would not lose out.
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Old 15th Sep 2010, 16:01
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Your Prayers Are Requested

It would appear that the BA strike-related threads, both here and in "the other place" are mortally ill and that their demise is imminently expected.

These long-running, contentious, but often amusing discussions have gone through a number of incarnations. Now they are being deprived of the nourishment of readers' contributions and the consequent oxygen of publicity.

While the dates of the funerals have, understandably, yet to be announced mourners are earnestly requested not to send flowers - yellow or otherwise.

Grateful thanks are extended to all contributors who expressed sympathy (or otherwise) for the causes discussed on the threads.

The probable cause of death has been diagnosed as apathy and boredom.

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Old 15th Sep 2010, 16:14
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Hello CCC ... the oxygen of publicity indeed. I now have to remind myself to read [occasionally] the outpourings on the subject, as they have become so empty of interest.

Ho-hum ... I'm flying BA, and I'm asking myself what that BASSA nausea was all about
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Old 15th Sep 2010, 16:58
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Yawn!

Yes, it's all become so tiresome, so I'm off to the Military bits to see if I can inveigle Fin 84 into a bit of banter.
Back when this one generates some interest.

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Old 15th Sep 2010, 17:25
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The probable cause of death has been diagnosed as apathy and boredom
Some of us died of these afflictions rather earlier than today



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Old 15th Sep 2010, 17:31
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TS ... you have my genuine sympathy, as you have had to read all this stuff.

However, it's nearly over now ...





... probably.
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Old 15th Sep 2010, 19:23
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I also sympathize with TS. When this is over, I shall miss her sensible posts though, for they were always worth reading.
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Old 15th Sep 2010, 20:38
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Given the potential for riotous assembly and unruly behaviour on this thread (and the one in 'another place') I reckon the mods have done a tremendous job in keeping it on the island.

Thanks Mods.

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Old 15th Sep 2010, 21:06
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As T.S. Elliott might have said
This is the way this thread ends, this is the way this thread ends.
This is the way this thread ends, not with a bang but a whimper.
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 00:56
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Hopefully the end will not occur until we learn how Duncanís day at the station worked out.
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 10:57
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TS ... you have my genuine sympathy, as you have had to read all this stuff.
I think that you should be banned for creeping to the Mods! Surely the old irascible MPN11 hasn't drowned in this sea of apathy?
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 11:29
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Morning, Finky.
think that you should be banned for creeping to the Mods!
That would make a change from the other reasons for which I have been banned.

Anyway, I'm a good boy now. And BA is flying, so I have no need to be irascible. Apart from teenagers on noisy mini-motorbikes and a few other issues.
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 16:42
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The "Other Thread" suggests that DH had a hard time at the Police Station.

Should we now be sending flowers?
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