BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions
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The following is a quote from the posting by Dunhovrin:"...a question for pilots working as CC: Have you got an arrangement with Security allowing you to bring your own water and food to work TFN?"The inference made here is a thinly veiled threat, it has been reported to the authorities for investigation. Should this threat be shown to have come from a serving BA staff member then disciplinary action will surely follow.
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No response there, then. 
However, all this sort of stuff is recoverable from data-logs at the server.
BTW - as SLF have been banned from the CC forum, you 'drivers' can fork off from here
However, all this sort of stuff is recoverable from data-logs at the server.
BTW - as SLF have been banned from the CC forum, you 'drivers' can fork off from here
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The Australian Pilots Dispute in 1989 we all lost our jobs back in the late 80's-early 90's, it started with the pilots and then they went through the whole industry deregulating every job, we were told we would all be re-employed under new enterprise bargaining agreements but the reality was we were prosmised the world and given an atlas.
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Originally Posted by cacti
The Australian Pilots Dispute in 1989 we all lost our jobs back in the late 80's-early 90's, it started with the pilots and then they went through the whole industry deregulating every job, we were told we would all be re-employed under new enterprise bargaining agreements but the reality was we were prosmised the world and given an atlas.
The reality is economics. You over-pay people, and eventually the chooks come home to roost. I'm lucky, I spent my life working for UK Military plc, so I was forked over every way you care to name. Don't even go there - I had a great life, a successful career, no regrets, no whinging either [which from a Pom is good going].
But just think [as a completely off-topic moment] why you all lost your jobs.
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British people are the real losers, British Airways was my pride, my Airline and at one point the best in the world.. pride of every British citizen, alas its no longer the case, it pains me to see a flagship Airline bearing my countrys name in complete shambles, I dont know what the real issue is with the Crew and the Management, but in this instance the Crew have let down Britain. The whole world is laughing at us.. I know over the years Bad management has led BA down the drain, but to top it up the crew is dragging BA to its grave.
I honestly wouldnt mind helping the crew who are still working inspite of strike on flight if I was flying.
Thats what I will say to all and everyone, lets do out bit to help our Airline.
I honestly wouldnt mind helping the crew who are still working inspite of strike on flight if I was flying.
Thats what I will say to all and everyone, lets do out bit to help our Airline.
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lets do out bit to help our Airline
Nice thought. Lets hope that those who feel that the current dispute is a big mistake will feel able to book their flights with BA and support the employees who still want a job. Especially those crew still working and doing their best to serve their customers, the passenger.
If you feel that BASSA and UNITE are out of order then maybe supporting BA by flying will help send a message. Hope you get a smiley crew as well.
If you feel that BASSA and UNITE are out of order then maybe supporting BA by flying will help send a message. Hope you get a smiley crew as well.
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If you thought that the BBC was bad should have watched Sky - theirs was a disgrace and couldn't have been more pro BASSA if they tried,
In my opinion the BBC were more balanced
In my opinion the BBC were more balanced
One of the TV lunchtime reporters resorted to a hidden camera report from T5. Meanwhile however they perform BASSA is getting the air time.
One critism of them all - check facts that BASSA hand out, eg 20 planes ins storage at CWL - not
They had changed their reports by the next morning omitting CWL and SNN.
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i honestly believe that the minimal communication from BA is strategic, in that BA is allowing Unite to dig a large hole with its large mouth.
Apart from a very light rebuff to the Media about reporting 'inaccuracies', BA is saying very little other than offering reassurance to the passengers [oops - they're the ones that fund BA, aren''t they?]. BA are being cool and sensible, and running an airline - period.
Unite is just stamping its feet and talking more gibberish that a gibbon on speed, and lying its way into the history books as "Unite The Untruth".
I do feel so sorry for the people who have been led down this path. The reasons have been discussed at length before - no need to repeat that.
Apart from a very light rebuff to the Media about reporting 'inaccuracies', BA is saying very little other than offering reassurance to the passengers [oops - they're the ones that fund BA, aren''t they?]. BA are being cool and sensible, and running an airline - period.
Unite is just stamping its feet and talking more gibberish that a gibbon on speed, and lying its way into the history books as "Unite The Untruth".
I do feel so sorry for the people who have been led down this path. The reasons have been discussed at length before - no need to repeat that.
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But by then the damage had been done - truth had been lost. Most people never re-read an article and no retraction in terms if publishing false information was issued.
I'm ex CC and have many friends still in their community - you cannot believe how hard it is for them to get accurate independant information on which to base critical choices they need to make.
Sky - hang your head in shame
BBC - try harder
I'm ex CC and have many friends still in their community - you cannot believe how hard it is for them to get accurate independant information on which to base critical choices they need to make.
Sky - hang your head in shame
BBC - try harder
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Very many thanks. I know that during my flight last night the CC members were very appreciative of the support from their pax.
The guys & gals at LGW are feeling very exposed during this dispute. They are very worried that they could ultimately suffer the axe through no fault of their own.
The guys & gals at LGW are feeling very exposed during this dispute. They are very worried that they could ultimately suffer the axe through no fault of their own.
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'Unite is just stamping its feet and talking more gibberish that a gibbon on speed'
Just love it! - I'm going to remember and use that putdown - its a classic!
Its the cannon fodder I feel sorry for
'Unite is just stamping its feet and talking more gibberish that a gibbon on speed'
Just love it! - I'm going to remember and use that putdown - its a classic!
Its the cannon fodder I feel sorry for
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Apart from a very light rebuff to the Media about reporting 'inaccuracies', BA is saying very little other than offering reassurance to the passengers [oops - they're the ones that fund BA, aren''t they?]. BA are being cool and sensible, and running an airline - period.
Unite is just stamping its feet and talking more gibberish that a gibbon on speed, and lying its way into the history books as "Unite The Untruth".
Unite is just stamping its feet and talking more gibberish that a gibbon on speed, and lying its way into the history books as "Unite The Untruth".
And how do Unite portray it?
"A brazen attempt to prevent media reporting Unite’s side of the present dispute. Not content with gagging cabin crew, so they cannot tell their side of the story, British Airways PR operation apparently wants to establish a monopoly of news coverage."
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And when I'm flying the aircraft, mine's a Tea white none please.
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Its becoming clear that BASSA are at the root of the problem here. By adopting the tactics of intimidation, lies and the fabrication of 'items that will surely impress' the 'leaders' have demeaned the cabin staff. That is not right and its not fair. And when you see, as we did yesterday, one rep who is reported to earn £50k and has only worked as a CSD (one of the lucrative jobs) for a very small number of hours in the past year, it is pretty clear that BASSA has a large group of self serving people at the helm, including militants. Unite have shown their true colours through Woodly so both unions are in the poo.
The girls and guys who are the cabin staff of BA deserve better, and it is pleasing to see that they have had enough and formed their own council. Now perhaps they will resign from BASSA en bloc.
I believe Willie Walsh and Bill Francis will keep their word. I believe that they will strive now to ensure the future of BA and its much valued staff. The cynics will have their say and the die-hards too but in the end BA will win. It is just a crying shame that it came to this.
The girls and guys who are the cabin staff of BA deserve better, and it is pleasing to see that they have had enough and formed their own council. Now perhaps they will resign from BASSA en bloc.
I believe Willie Walsh and Bill Francis will keep their word. I believe that they will strive now to ensure the future of BA and its much valued staff. The cynics will have their say and the die-hards too but in the end BA will win. It is just a crying shame that it came to this.
Having flown to and from the US recently on BA and having experienced/sensed the pre-strike atmosphere amongst CC - which was plainly tense at that time - experience of onboard atmosphere during the strike has come as a stark contrast; as SLF it was a change on BA to see an apparently extremely cheerful crew sharing banter with one another and with us, the customers. One - OK, I will say it - typically more mature CC (female) told me that "It's nice to be doing what we're good at without worrying about what we do or say for fear of being reported - not to the management, but to BASSA...".
I found that staggering (perhaps naively). Have other SLF found bad atmosphere pre-strike, and relaxed and apparently happy team work on strike flights? Reading the CC thread itself there are several reports of refreshing atmosphere where they sign on for duty, lending weight to the above. Presuming those posts are genuine could this be the start of a cheery new world at BA LHR, LGW-based CC already seems to be there...since BASSA cut them adrift (I believe that's correct?). Leaving the militant tendency on the ground seems to have taken the poison out of the flights?
On PR, BA pronouncements, what few there have been, certainly seem to stack up as verifiable - in stark contrast to Unite's consistent untruths, exaggerations and whistling in the dark. Reminiscent of Pravda in fact? That man McLuskey also seems to have faded into the background - staying out of the limelight to the point of invisibility? Like our Great Leader himself, one might think. Sorry Mods, that bit's off-thread. But the change of atmosphere is significant, and it must do a great deal to make CC working conditions more pleasant than - probably - for several years?
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I found that staggering (perhaps naively). Have other SLF found bad atmosphere pre-strike, and relaxed and apparently happy team work on strike flights? Reading the CC thread itself there are several reports of refreshing atmosphere where they sign on for duty, lending weight to the above. Presuming those posts are genuine could this be the start of a cheery new world at BA LHR, LGW-based CC already seems to be there...since BASSA cut them adrift (I believe that's correct?). Leaving the militant tendency on the ground seems to have taken the poison out of the flights?
On PR, BA pronouncements, what few there have been, certainly seem to stack up as verifiable - in stark contrast to Unite's consistent untruths, exaggerations and whistling in the dark. Reminiscent of Pravda in fact? That man McLuskey also seems to have faded into the background - staying out of the limelight to the point of invisibility? Like our Great Leader himself, one might think. Sorry Mods, that bit's off-thread. But the change of atmosphere is significant, and it must do a great deal to make CC working conditions more pleasant than - probably - for several years?
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Normality
Everything appears back to normal at LHR this morning and not much in the online papers as yet either. Almost like the last three days were a non event.
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ChicoG
Steady on fella. I said 'think' because I was unsure and hoped someone would be able to verify (or otherwise) my claim.
I had based my comment on the memory of an article many months ago.
This was it.
Willie Walsh, the chief executive of British Airways, will receive an inflation-busting 6 per cent pay rise, taking his salary to £743,000 this year, and could gain £1.1 million in deferred share bonuses.
It 'suggests' his bonus was deferred.
However as it is a newspaper article I accept that it could be highly misleading if not totally inaccurate.
Keep taking the pills ChicoG.
I commented on Walsh refusing his bonus and I got this as a reply:
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I think it was deferred. He got it the following year.
You can think what you like. Before you post something that isn't true, I would ask you to prove it.
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I think it was deferred. He got it the following year.
You can think what you like. Before you post something that isn't true, I would ask you to prove it.
I had based my comment on the memory of an article many months ago.
This was it.
Willie Walsh, the chief executive of British Airways, will receive an inflation-busting 6 per cent pay rise, taking his salary to £743,000 this year, and could gain £1.1 million in deferred share bonuses.
It 'suggests' his bonus was deferred.
However as it is a newspaper article I accept that it could be highly misleading if not totally inaccurate.
Keep taking the pills ChicoG.
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Back in the day when my OH got a bonus in shares from BA, which is admittedly a long while back as they have not done it for ordinary employees recently, the shares were put in trust for 3 years and could not be sold during that period. If that applies to Mr Walsh's share bonus, that could be described as 'deferred'.
If that is the position, and he did forgo it as stated in the article, then it's gone permanently. How £550,000 share bonus got to be £1.1 million (ie double) in the headline, don't know, unless he is to get the bonus for two years under his remuneration package. At any event, he appears to have given up the first share bonus, and the year before's cash bonus, time will tell whether he takes the second share bonus if that's what he is due.
If that is the position, and he did forgo it as stated in the article, then it's gone permanently. How £550,000 share bonus got to be £1.1 million (ie double) in the headline, don't know, unless he is to get the bonus for two years under his remuneration package. At any event, he appears to have given up the first share bonus, and the year before's cash bonus, time will tell whether he takes the second share bonus if that's what he is due.