What do us pax *really* want?
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Have to admit I'm rather confused by this. If I was a suicide bomber (and curiously, there appear to be fewer suicidal pax than there are aircrew) I'd be inclined to put the Semtex in a 'smuggler's waistcoat' (remember the ones they used on the routes from DXB to India, for the 10 Tola bars?) as it wouldn't set off the detectors. A det you can stick in a pocket, say well swaddled in cotton wool in a box - and away you go.
Boom!!
Kaptin M - you can indeed have your wishlist on our superduper L1011s. Only problem is it will cost you US$100k per seat to fly LHR-SYD one way: but hey, you get the watch!!
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Boom!!
Kaptin M - you can indeed have your wishlist on our superduper L1011s. Only problem is it will cost you US$100k per seat to fly LHR-SYD one way: but hey, you get the watch!!
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I always seem to spend every long haul flight behind the guy who immediately has to put his seat back the minute we level off. Spent the last two flights like that, with someone's stinking greasy hair in my face, absolutely no room to put down my tray to eat (or breathe). Usually that and someone very tall behind, with knees in the back for ten hours...
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Velvet,
What really annoys me about LHR’s Terminal 3 is that as a staff passenger I have to pay a security fee as well as the departure tax. (Non staff probably don’t see this fee as it’s in the ticket cost.) The security fee ranges from 8.10 – 18.20 depending on the time of day. It is therefore infuriating knowing that I have paid for the service to get to the security area to find half of the checking areas closed. I have had the pleasure of joining queues that began up at the shops.
Mutt.
What really annoys me about LHR’s Terminal 3 is that as a staff passenger I have to pay a security fee as well as the departure tax. (Non staff probably don’t see this fee as it’s in the ticket cost.) The security fee ranges from 8.10 – 18.20 depending on the time of day. It is therefore infuriating knowing that I have paid for the service to get to the security area to find half of the checking areas closed. I have had the pleasure of joining queues that began up at the shops.
Mutt.
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I've just returned from my first experience of "one class" flying, and I greatly enjoyed it.
Flying from MCO to MKE usually involves a change of plane - often at the dreaded DTW. (DTW Rule One: All pax changing planes must have at least one-quarter mile distance between arrival and departure gates.)
This time I opted to spend a little more and fly non-stop to MKE. Wide leather seats, real china and metal utensils, cloth napkins, complementary wine (even though I don't drink, appreciated by my parents when they fly MCO to MKE).
The people sitting next to me agreed - there is something about the clink of metal utensils on china that makes it seem more like a restaurant meal. And I was very pleased that on both flights a member of the cabin crew arrived at my seat with a smile and a questioning look on their face . . . and before they even asked the question I said, "Yes, I ordered a vegetarian meal". : )
I've had airlines screw this up or - more likely - some inconsiderate $%#^@ who forgot to order their own vegetarian meal *took* mine!!!
And we also agreed that we like the "one class" plane.
It was the opposite of being a tinned sardine when I had to fly from MCO to Tallahassee every week in the late 80s on a shuttle flight. I'm 5'9-1/4" and 135 lbs and I could barely fit in those seats!!!
Just a hassle free, pleasant journey. I should post separately about some of my security and carry-on experiences . . .
Flying from MCO to MKE usually involves a change of plane - often at the dreaded DTW. (DTW Rule One: All pax changing planes must have at least one-quarter mile distance between arrival and departure gates.)
This time I opted to spend a little more and fly non-stop to MKE. Wide leather seats, real china and metal utensils, cloth napkins, complementary wine (even though I don't drink, appreciated by my parents when they fly MCO to MKE).
The people sitting next to me agreed - there is something about the clink of metal utensils on china that makes it seem more like a restaurant meal. And I was very pleased that on both flights a member of the cabin crew arrived at my seat with a smile and a questioning look on their face . . . and before they even asked the question I said, "Yes, I ordered a vegetarian meal". : )
I've had airlines screw this up or - more likely - some inconsiderate $%#^@ who forgot to order their own vegetarian meal *took* mine!!!
And we also agreed that we like the "one class" plane.
It was the opposite of being a tinned sardine when I had to fly from MCO to Tallahassee every week in the late 80s on a shuttle flight. I'm 5'9-1/4" and 135 lbs and I could barely fit in those seats!!!
Just a hassle free, pleasant journey. I should post separately about some of my security and carry-on experiences . . .
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Pax Domina - you flew Midwest Express, didn't you? A really classy operation - and at a fare that's often cheaper than via DTW!!
That's the sort of service we're looking to provide to our Y class pax between PIK/SNN and PSM/SFB
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A really classy operation - and at a fare that's often cheaper than via DTW!!That's the sort of service we're looking to provide to our Y class pax between PIK/SNN and PSM/SFB
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Uh-oh, rumbled by the Guv!
More to the point, my father (who has extensive pax experience) has been so impressed that he will now *only* fly Midwest Express between MCO and MKE. (Our usual "family route" since most of our extended family live in Wisconsin.) And this is a guy who is expert at sweet-talking reservation clerks in to upgrades! Of course, my father is 6'1-1/2" and probably weighs something over 250 (the very definition of self-loading freight!). He can fit, but not comfortably, in to the average tinned sardine seat.
My cousin's husband (see posting under Rumours and News under, "The Passenger is always right - unless he's a tosser !") had an interview on Thursday to fly with Midwest Express. (I'm relating an incident where he confronted a, well, tosser who yelled at him.)
Good luck with Guv-air . . . you obviously care about what pax really want!
Most of my NWA journeys between MCO and MKE went through DTW on the way up and MEM on the way down. The only really good thing about going through MEM was the opportunity to purchase tacky Elvis postcards. And I haven't seen any new designs recently . . . but how can you really top the shot of a bloated Elvis shaking hands with Richard Nixon with the presidential seal in the background? This was when Elvis offered to help the Prez in the war against *drugs*.
More to the point, my father (who has extensive pax experience) has been so impressed that he will now *only* fly Midwest Express between MCO and MKE. (Our usual "family route" since most of our extended family live in Wisconsin.) And this is a guy who is expert at sweet-talking reservation clerks in to upgrades! Of course, my father is 6'1-1/2" and probably weighs something over 250 (the very definition of self-loading freight!). He can fit, but not comfortably, in to the average tinned sardine seat.
My cousin's husband (see posting under Rumours and News under, "The Passenger is always right - unless he's a tosser !") had an interview on Thursday to fly with Midwest Express. (I'm relating an incident where he confronted a, well, tosser who yelled at him.)
Good luck with Guv-air . . . you obviously care about what pax really want!
Most of my NWA journeys between MCO and MKE went through DTW on the way up and MEM on the way down. The only really good thing about going through MEM was the opportunity to purchase tacky Elvis postcards. And I haven't seen any new designs recently . . . but how can you really top the shot of a bloated Elvis shaking hands with Richard Nixon with the presidential seal in the background? This was when Elvis offered to help the Prez in the war against *drugs*.
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Mighty Hunter, I was just referring to a common perception that anything without state-of-the-art avionics, and with engines which probably haven't burnt fuel in anger in years, is less safe than the latest airliners.
As to whether this perception is right or not - that's one I'll leave to the experts.
Does anyone think we mere pax should read anything into the fact that, on the Pprune listing "Passengers and SLF" is the lowest of the low?
As to whether this perception is right or not - that's one I'll leave to the experts.
Does anyone think we mere pax should read anything into the fact that, on the Pprune listing "Passengers and SLF" is the lowest of the low?
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OO-AOG - Actually, there were no less than seven VC10 incidents, of which two were fatal crashes.
The first was on the 20 November 1969, when 5N-ABD, a BOAC VC10 on wet lease to Nigeria Airways crashed 8 miles short of Lagos Airport. All 87 people on board were killed.
The second was on the 18 April 1972, when 5X-UVA of East African Airways crashed at Addis Ababa. 43 out of 107 people on board were killed.
Check out http://aviation-safety.net/database/type/491.shtml for more information.
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The first was on the 20 November 1969, when 5N-ABD, a BOAC VC10 on wet lease to Nigeria Airways crashed 8 miles short of Lagos Airport. All 87 people on board were killed.
The second was on the 18 April 1972, when 5X-UVA of East African Airways crashed at Addis Ababa. 43 out of 107 people on board were killed.
Check out http://aviation-safety.net/database/type/491.shtml for more information.
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Current economy seats are for smurfs.
Passengers want decent pitch, decent height, decent width of seat. Oh, and try to stick to schedule.
Thats all pretty obvious - can't the marketing guys suss it????
Beggars belief.
Reccomendations of long haul airlines with good econo seat, are their any???
Passengers want decent pitch, decent height, decent width of seat. Oh, and try to stick to schedule.
Thats all pretty obvious - can't the marketing guys suss it????
Beggars belief.
Reccomendations of long haul airlines with good econo seat, are their any???
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Quantas is the only airline on which I've thought "do I usually have this much room?" And that's a big thing to ask as I'm 6'3" (actually it was more like asking "do I usually have this 3 inches between my knees and my chin?")
Why don't they have arrays of horizontal bed/sleeper things - with soundproofed walls. 6 high, 10 wide, reckon you could get 20 of these batteries on a 744 . . . 600 people. All in fully reclined 'pleasure cabins'. It'd be a goer for sure!
Why don't they have arrays of horizontal bed/sleeper things - with soundproofed walls. 6 high, 10 wide, reckon you could get 20 of these batteries on a 744 . . . 600 people. All in fully reclined 'pleasure cabins'. It'd be a goer for sure!
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I want to get from A to B safely - that's all. No booze necessary, no films, no bad food, no hostess's, just security staff to keep the plane safe (oh and super pilots)! That's all -
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