BA Cabin Crew Strike Threats (Merged)
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Maybe there are some things worth fighting for?? Guess there is an end of the tether, and only so much the job is worth doing it for.
What I believe is that an honest days work is worth an honest days pay. And if you are contracted to Mon - Fri 9 - 5 that's what you should work. Now, not saying that a little 8 - 10pm isn't required on occasion, but going in to work on a Tuesday and finding out when you were due to go home that you have to be there until Sunday, isn't reasonable. If you think this is, then we will have to agree to disagree.
Maybe there are some things worth fighting for?? Guess there is an end of the tether, and only so much the job is worth doing it for.
What I believe is that an honest days work is worth an honest days pay. And if you are contracted to Mon - Fri 9 - 5 that's what you should work. Now, not saying that a little 8 - 10pm isn't required on occasion, but going in to work on a Tuesday and finding out when you were due to go home that you have to be there until Sunday, isn't reasonable. If you think this is, then we will have to agree to disagree.
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Well done to the BA CC! BA is losing a reported £1.6Million per day, the biggest loss in BA's history since privateisation, a pension defecit of £3.7Billion and the CC in their rather short sighted wisdom decide to strike at one of the most profitable times of the year and for 12 days 
You are doing no end of damage to an already battered reputation - I dont say that WW has all the best ideas, and he hasnt helped, but seriously CC could be putting one of the final nails into BA's coffin - you guys need to realise that you are lucky to have a job, get a grip and negotiate even offer to take a lower salary of a few % for a year or two and help turn BA's battered reputation around, maybe also attempt to force WW out and get someone who will empower BA's staff to improve its customer service in all ares to take over and bring BA back to a world reknowned repuation that it used to have. Also get rid of the miserable old CC dinasuars would be a good start too!
You are doing no end of damage to an already battered reputation - I dont say that WW has all the best ideas, and he hasnt helped, but seriously CC could be putting one of the final nails into BA's coffin - you guys need to realise that you are lucky to have a job, get a grip and negotiate even offer to take a lower salary of a few % for a year or two and help turn BA's battered reputation around, maybe also attempt to force WW out and get someone who will empower BA's staff to improve its customer service in all ares to take over and bring BA back to a world reknowned repuation that it used to have. Also get rid of the miserable old CC dinasuars would be a good start too!
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UAV689 - I wouldn't be so sure. The Government do not see air travel as appealing to the sectionable people who would apparently still vote for them. I'm not sure this is the end of BA - but it certainly isn't going to help. The main issue as far as I am concerned is the completely mean spirited nature of the timing of the strike.
The union assume that people will feel sympathy towards them and anger towards BA. I think in most cases, this is likely to be completely incorrect - they have completely misjudged people's mood towards striking in the current climate. I fly on BA a lot, even though I work for another operator. I'd happily see all striking BA crew sacked and made to re-apply for their jobs - they've had it too good for too long. They need to promote on merit, not on time served and get rid of the ridiculous situation where people are encouraged to live in Madrid or wherever and commute in! What planet are these people on?
The union assume that people will feel sympathy towards them and anger towards BA. I think in most cases, this is likely to be completely incorrect - they have completely misjudged people's mood towards striking in the current climate. I fly on BA a lot, even though I work for another operator. I'd happily see all striking BA crew sacked and made to re-apply for their jobs - they've had it too good for too long. They need to promote on merit, not on time served and get rid of the ridiculous situation where people are encouraged to live in Madrid or wherever and commute in! What planet are these people on?
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What an unbelievably selfish attitude to take. Those cabin crew members who have voted to strike should be ashamed of themselves. The public will back Walsh and his management on this one. I hope he takes a very firm line.
Mmm, recently flew on a 6 hr flight, long haul BA and the cabin crew were whinging like hell as there wasnt time to get into the bunks! All down to reducing their number by one on the plane. They were also very smug about the expected outcome of this ballot. Precious dears!
Did anyone see Simon Clader throw his toys out of the pram by ripping up his booking confirmation? Talk about over reaction!!!
What would happen to his booking if the strike is called off? print another?
What would happen to his booking if the strike is called off? print another?
This seems to be a typically UK Union/Management conflict with both determined to exit on top. The history of the UK dictates that it is a mentality problem - them and us. I am not employed by BA - European ATC and we have been abused also yet we are on a good salary and realise it ... communication seems to be the crucial point here , as ever in this situation. I support neither the one side nor the other but see both, as I am sure many do. Part of the problem lies with politics- duck houses maybe - respect has to be earned. Anyway, I have very dear friends (40 years) who work/ed for BA , he 35 years in ticketing and she 25 or so ground staff at Manchester and now cabin crew from London - and I say FROM London - travelling up and down for international flights , at the age of 55-ish (sorry). Both are/were BA dedicated BUT in my view the management (small m) attitude - normal in today's age is what is wrong with BA. I saw this coming years ago and switched from flying BA DUS-MAN to the ferry, Rotterdam-Hull and it is much more relaxed... and fun, the staff are great. I hope that BA survives (given the pension problems-do we understand this?) but regret that it will not - the bottom line will be management and WW- that is after all what they are there for?
Two sides, two stories - why don't people learn? This has been going on for years. Kids grow up.
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Two sides, two stories - why don't people learn? This has been going on for years. Kids grow up.
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Ok. I don't post very often but this recent development has just got my back up! I am quite frankly p****d off that this strike is going ahead. I am not a regular flier and indeed this strike will not affect me in the least. However it seems to me that a reality check is in order. I am a simple man of simple means so I will give my opinion.....
As far as I know the year is 2009 and at the moment we are suffering the worst recession for 60 years. It may be our fault it may be not, that is others opinion. I don't earm a great deal but I am working in the industry I chose to work in because I love my job. My line of work has suffered due to the recession and I have lost out on it but hey at least I still have internet and SKY TV. However, You are working in your chosen career! Nobody put a gun to your head! If you dont like it then quit! Many people I know and have worked with are now signing on and I consider myself grateful for having a job.
So please excuse me when I say that if you think that as cabin crew for British Airways (those who voted to strike by the way) you are right to vote for strike action then let me say that not only are you dinosaurs from times past, but that you are personally sticking two fingers up at people like me, who do not have a choice in the times we are in, you are greedy beyond belief and I cannot believe it when I say this but I hope BA fails so that you too can feel what it is like to be working class!
As far as I know the year is 2009 and at the moment we are suffering the worst recession for 60 years. It may be our fault it may be not, that is others opinion. I don't earm a great deal but I am working in the industry I chose to work in because I love my job. My line of work has suffered due to the recession and I have lost out on it but hey at least I still have internet and SKY TV. However, You are working in your chosen career! Nobody put a gun to your head! If you dont like it then quit! Many people I know and have worked with are now signing on and I consider myself grateful for having a job.
So please excuse me when I say that if you think that as cabin crew for British Airways (those who voted to strike by the way) you are right to vote for strike action then let me say that not only are you dinosaurs from times past, but that you are personally sticking two fingers up at people like me, who do not have a choice in the times we are in, you are greedy beyond belief and I cannot believe it when I say this but I hope BA fails so that you too can feel what it is like to be working class!
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Madness indeed...
I fear the Union, and Cabin Crew who voted to strike, are very much barking up the wrong tree if they believe the public will have some sympathy towards their cause this time round.
So many other iconic British organisations and institutions have either fallen by the wayside or been bought over by foreigners, e.g. the Cunard Line and P&O being but two examples (they are both owned by the cheap cruise line Carnival Cruises), that the public may shed a few tears and moan about the demise - untile the next cheap batch of fares comes along from another airline.
There are simply too many competitors out there now, particularily on North American, Far East and Australian routes, especially in the Premium Cabins. If BA falls the business traffic will lament the loss and merely shift to an alternative. The Union and CAbin Crew seem unable, or unwilling, to accept this reality.
So many other iconic British organisations and institutions have either fallen by the wayside or been bought over by foreigners, e.g. the Cunard Line and P&O being but two examples (they are both owned by the cheap cruise line Carnival Cruises), that the public may shed a few tears and moan about the demise - untile the next cheap batch of fares comes along from another airline.
There are simply too many competitors out there now, particularily on North American, Far East and Australian routes, especially in the Premium Cabins. If BA falls the business traffic will lament the loss and merely shift to an alternative. The Union and CAbin Crew seem unable, or unwilling, to accept this reality.
Then the answer is very, very simple. Quit. Find another job which better suits your lifestyle. I suspect there'll be a long queue of applicants willing to take over from you.
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Will anyone lament the loss??
Prima-Donna's come and Prima-Donna's go, so it will come to pass that BA will rest in the ashed along with other more deserving carriers like BUA/BCAL etc.. Only this time it will be hoisted by its own petard.
Oh well Good Luck Virgin!!!
Oh well Good Luck Virgin!!!
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whether the strike goes ahead or not, the damage has been done. I mean all those who have booked are now on their computers seeking alternative flights, and those yet to make their arrangements will not even consider BA - would you?
If, for some reason it gets resolved, then there are going to be plenty of empty seats for sale.
How can a strike influence a company losing nearly £2m on a normal day, plus an unsustainable cost base and a £3.5 billlion hole in its pension plan, except for giving it an excuse to close it down and start again on its own terms? Maybe thats just what WW wanted.
Have four tickets booked for Jan, EGGP-GMAD £10 return each no extras and the service is perfectly fine. Goes by the name of FR
If, for some reason it gets resolved, then there are going to be plenty of empty seats for sale.
How can a strike influence a company losing nearly £2m on a normal day, plus an unsustainable cost base and a £3.5 billlion hole in its pension plan, except for giving it an excuse to close it down and start again on its own terms? Maybe thats just what WW wanted.
Have four tickets booked for Jan, EGGP-GMAD £10 return each no extras and the service is perfectly fine. Goes by the name of FR
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BA Pilots vote for a strike over reduced terms and conditions for new joiners on lesser terms and conditions and it's a good thing.
BA Cabin Crew vote for a strike over reduced terms and conditions for new joiners and it's a bad thing?
BA Cabin Crew vote for a strike over reduced terms and conditions for new joiners and it's a bad thing?
Only the pax CARE
What a wierd strike!
Only the pax seem to care. The providers seem proud that they would rather have their airline - and its pension fund FAIL, rather than do some work.
I do hope that the pax and journos notice that the £55,000 pa CC work at a MAX of 900 hours per annum. They seem to think that is too much.
They receive £55,000 - on average - as CSDs for working a MAX of 900 hours per annum. So some earn about £80,000 p.a. for being a safety trained waiter?
I'll repeat that - £80,000 p.a. as a safety trained waiter????
The UK average wage is c £22,000 per annum for a 1700 hour week. How come BA management has allowed CSD types to earn nearly 3 times as much for half the working time???
I feel sorry for pax - the CC forum has had a number of them comment - and I feel sorry for JSL and other sensible BA folk on the CC forum. However, 90% is 90%. Let them all lose salaries and pensions.
Only the pax seem to care. The providers seem proud that they would rather have their airline - and its pension fund FAIL, rather than do some work.
I do hope that the pax and journos notice that the £55,000 pa CC work at a MAX of 900 hours per annum. They seem to think that is too much.
They receive £55,000 - on average - as CSDs for working a MAX of 900 hours per annum. So some earn about £80,000 p.a. for being a safety trained waiter?
I'll repeat that - £80,000 p.a. as a safety trained waiter????
The UK average wage is c £22,000 per annum for a 1700 hour week. How come BA management has allowed CSD types to earn nearly 3 times as much for half the working time???
I feel sorry for pax - the CC forum has had a number of them comment - and I feel sorry for JSL and other sensible BA folk on the CC forum. However, 90% is 90%. Let them all lose salaries and pensions.
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BA Cabin Crew vote for a strike over reduced terms and conditions for new joiners and it's a bad thing?
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i think the cabin crew have done this to have Christmas and New year off !
grrrrrrrr -who do they think they are affecting everyones Christmas, I bet it will not be fun working on a BA aircraft for the next week ....
grrrrrrrr -who do they think they are affecting everyones Christmas, I bet it will not be fun working on a BA aircraft for the next week ....