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Branding a nation as a result of the actions of two individuals is alittle harsh.
Not everyone in the UK has forgotton how to behave in public you know. Yes the country has its social problems, what country does'nt?
To the point, serving alcohol to perceptibly intoxicated people can potentially compromise the licence to serve alcohol (in the UK anyway). Perhaps we are in need of a clearer set of rules in this matter and a strict application of them on aircraft?
Not everyone in the UK has forgotton how to behave in public you know. Yes the country has its social problems, what country does'nt?
To the point, serving alcohol to perceptibly intoxicated people can potentially compromise the licence to serve alcohol (in the UK anyway). Perhaps we are in need of a clearer set of rules in this matter and a strict application of them on aircraft?
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Well we recently had similar situation here in Dubai when that drunk UK guy triggered the bomb alert. Same when this other drunk British couple was ******* on the public beach and started insulting the policemen coming to stop them. Sadly, few days before that, a young drunk British jumped out of his balcony following an argument with his girlfriend. Few month ago, 2 drunk British guys came here for a wedding party and decided to try some drunk jetski driving. One lost his life. These are few stories around me here, but it's a really sad waste. Not only for those gents, but also for the reputation of their fellow citizens. This can only lead to more restricting rules in this Muslim country which would have to be assumed by everybody, including sober people.
I remember my participations at the RIATs as quite intoxicated days
but what a fun ! (at least it wasn't public disturbance...)
I remember my participations at the RIATs as quite intoxicated days
but what a fun ! (at least it wasn't public disturbance...)
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Public drunkenness is a lot less acceptable in the U.S. than it was a couple of decades ago. Office parties now are often alcohol-free due to liabilty issues and the threat of sexual harassment lawsuits.
Flight crews are monitored with random breath tests and hotel staff are know to report a late stay in the bar to the company these days. Times have changed.
Like many other trends, I predict this change of attitude will eventually filter over to the UK.
There does seem to be some awareness of the problem in recent press items:
Why are so many people drinking themselves into hospital? - Telegraph
A quarter of adults drinks excessively as doctors warn of 'tsunami of alcohol-related harm'| News | This is London
Nurses told to cut down on drinking - Telegraph
Alcohol industry may face binge-drinking curbs | UK | Reuters
Flight crews are monitored with random breath tests and hotel staff are know to report a late stay in the bar to the company these days. Times have changed.
Like many other trends, I predict this change of attitude will eventually filter over to the UK.
There does seem to be some awareness of the problem in recent press items:
Why are so many people drinking themselves into hospital? - Telegraph
A quarter of adults drinks excessively as doctors warn of 'tsunami of alcohol-related harm'| News | This is London
Nurses told to cut down on drinking - Telegraph
Alcohol industry may face binge-drinking curbs | UK | Reuters
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The women, aged 26 and 27, were drinking heavily and had to be held in their seats by security staff until the plane landed in Frankfurt.
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Most of the problem stems from the namby pamby attitude of the authorities.
30 years ago anyone being rowdy and behaving unacceptably after drinking was arrested, kept in the cells overnight and appeared in front of the Magistrates the next morning charged with being drunk and disorderly. perhaps it's about time we started doing that again.
30 years ago anyone being rowdy and behaving unacceptably after drinking was arrested, kept in the cells overnight and appeared in front of the Magistrates the next morning charged with being drunk and disorderly. perhaps it's about time we started doing that again.
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And the Labour government response is: make 24 hour drinking available! It doesn't help those with a bad habit try and kick it, does it?
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Prison is not the answer. There are already too many people in our prisons, and locking up two more at public expense will not help.
Lets look at Maricopa county Arizona (greater Phoenix) and the elected Sheriff here, Joe Arpio...the 'meanest' sheriff in America.
The law.
Arrested once for DUI, go to jail, directly to jail, for a minimum of twenty four hours, followed by...a minimum of thirty days for conviction.
In the airplane, behaving badly because of far too many vodka/tonics...seems to me, hard jail time is necessary.
Going back to the meanest sheriff in America, Sheriff Joe...DUI's have decreased by forty percent.
Hello?
Seems to be working.
Why is it (mainly SOME british, "to my eternal shame") whenever they seem to have an excess of alcoholic drink on flights do they HAVE TO MAKE PRAT'S OF THEMSELVES ??? 
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Nothing new in this, nor is it confined to Brits.
There was a noticable increase in the number of drunks on aircraft after smoking was banned on flights, and that increase was all nationalities. It was a daily occurance for us to be called to an arriving aircraft with a drunk aboard. Occationally they had drunk what they had bought duty free, but more often it was supplied by the crew.
A question we often asked was, why the crew kept pouring drink for people, the answer was, it kept them calm, which may well be true, but hardly makes the problem go away.
Airlines at LHR used to be fairly hot on not letting people aboard who'd been drinking to the extent they were either, or close to drunk.
The consolation in the case of these 2 women, is that the aircraft landed in Germany, and they are therefore subject to German law. If they get a prison sentence, then they serve it in a German, not UK prison.
There was a noticable increase in the number of drunks on aircraft after smoking was banned on flights, and that increase was all nationalities. It was a daily occurance for us to be called to an arriving aircraft with a drunk aboard. Occationally they had drunk what they had bought duty free, but more often it was supplied by the crew.
A question we often asked was, why the crew kept pouring drink for people, the answer was, it kept them calm, which may well be true, but hardly makes the problem go away.
Airlines at LHR used to be fairly hot on not letting people aboard who'd been drinking to the extent they were either, or close to drunk.
The consolation in the case of these 2 women, is that the aircraft landed in Germany, and they are therefore subject to German law. If they get a prison sentence, then they serve it in a German, not UK prison.
For once I agree with 411A and certainly with what rainbow says, until the punishment fits the crime the UK will be awash with crime because there is no proper deterrent and there never will be until some government realises there has to be proper law and order in the UK.
These women should be banned for life from flying, nothing less. Make them pay for the diversion plus costs, don't bother sending them to jail just ban them for life. No half measures or time off for good behaviour. No human rights issues here either.
These women should be banned for life from flying, nothing less. Make them pay for the diversion plus costs, don't bother sending them to jail just ban them for life. No half measures or time off for good behaviour. No human rights issues here either.
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yes there are drunks all over the world but the situation turns violent much quicker in the UK. Furthermore I have never witnessed such appalling behaviour from drunk young women anywhere else other than the UK.
24 Hour drinking has also been in operation in many other countries for many years. The reality even if you can't face up to it bungy is that the UK is struggling to both recognize and deal with the problem. And we are talking about a social problem and not alcoholism.
In Europe families were always welcome in beer gardens, street cafe's etc. and alcohol wasn't an issue around children. I don't know but I wonder if this has something to do with it.
24 Hour drinking has also been in operation in many other countries for many years. The reality even if you can't face up to it bungy is that the UK is struggling to both recognize and deal with the problem. And we are talking about a social problem and not alcoholism.
In Europe families were always welcome in beer gardens, street cafe's etc. and alcohol wasn't an issue around children. I don't know but I wonder if this has something to do with it.
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i know the crew personally and ALL of them are extremely capable of dealing with the abusive, ignorant passengers that unfortunately these days pay our wages. and force is always the last option as genuine aircrew will know. if this crew were put in a position where they felt unable to control the scum we have to deal with on a daily basis who think they are above and outside the law then I applaud them for the action they took.
not just for them but for the 99% of the rest of the pax who were also present.
not just for them but for the 99% of the rest of the pax who were also present.
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How true "In Europe families were always welcome in beer gardens, street cafe's etc. and alcohol wasn't an issue around children. I don't know but I wonder if this has something to do with it."
Seems today UK, mum and dad go to the pub but leave the little 'bastards' (English, for a child born out of wedlock) to roam the streets.
How true "In Europe families were always welcome in beer gardens, street cafe's etc. and alcohol wasn't an issue around children. I don't know but I wonder if this has something to do with it."
Seems today UK, mum and dad go to the pub but leave the little 'bastards' (English, for a child born out of wedlock) to roam the streets.
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In Europe families were always welcome in beer gardens, street cafe's etc. and alcohol wasn't an issue around children.
Furthermore I have never witnessed such appalling behaviour from drunk young women anywhere else other than the UK.
yes there are drunks all over the world but the situation turns violent much quicker in the UK
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Yamaha, you are so right. As an Englishman living in South Africa since the early 80's, I have seen a marked decline in Law and Order in England, and can only assume this is due to a) massive immigration, and b) a left-wing, pinko-liberal Nanny State.
We've certainly got problems aplenty here in South Africa, but moving back to England is simply not an option, the British society having descended into a stat of mild anarchy in the last 10 years or so.
We need someone like Maggie Thatcher to lead Britain back to Greatness.
And after she's finished there, she could sort out South Africa...
We've certainly got problems aplenty here in South Africa, but moving back to England is simply not an option, the British society having descended into a stat of mild anarchy in the last 10 years or so.
We need someone like Maggie Thatcher to lead Britain back to Greatness.
And after she's finished there, she could sort out South Africa...
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Not saying it would be the case here, but like is so often the case if they are ordered to pay, no doubt they won't be able to afford it! See this so often in road fines, court fines etc in that it just becomes a joke. No doubt they will just end up having to pay a penny a week for the next million years, while quietly laughing beneath their breath as they down 10 pints in the pub smoking a pack a day!
maybe I'm wrong......
maybe I'm wrong......