"Women try to open door mid-flight"

[White Knight]

Whoever said to fine them the cost of the diversion must have his head up some dark tunnel... These are people who buy a holiday with benefit money and live in council houses... They wouldn't be made to pay.
Better to give 'em hard jail time (without the luxury of tv, dvd, pool table and all that namby pamby human rights bs), then put 'em in a chain gang and get them breaking rocks or sewing mail bags.....
Also bring back NATIONAL SERVICE - keep the chavs off the streets...

I feel better now...

As for banning alcohol - that would really tick me off. I do like a glass of DP when I go somewhere, washed down with a chilled ale

[Rainboe]

Yamaha, you are so right. As an Englishman living in South Africa since the early 80's, I have seen a marked decline in Law and Order in England,

So you think you are better off in SA? If not, what are you doing there? Is a bit of sunshine worth that? Let's face it, we think Brits are so bad because we see more of them on aeroplanes and holidays than most others. We have people who get aggressive, so does everyone else, but they'll don the uniform and be marching up the roads in Helmand another time. We might be more aggressive, but we also appear to be the ones not to shirk international duty like these more 'peaceful' countries. Let's not forget, the football fans throw grenades at policemen in Italy. German fans are quite positive in their support for their team. Our female fans are quite positive in their support for Murray and Nadal! You have to learn when to step out of the way.

[Edward Mitchell]

Edward Mitchell

Thanks for the response, Rainbow.

And your point is ....?

[Blacksheep]

Making people pay compensation for the results of their actions (or those of their children under the age of eighteen) might restore a sense of responsibility.

[Atishoo]

I agree with Edward Mitchels post.

Too many open borders, and a mamby pamby law system that needs a massive shake up.

Far too many "do gooders" in this country. I wish we could be a bit more like a country like Dubai. Although there has been some recent trouble over there, generally its a safe place because their people are WAY too scared to step out of line for the consequences are not good ones.

[ajamieson]

Originally Posted by qwertyplop

but should this have been picked up before it became an issue?

Completely agree. One wonders what role was played by the ground staff. Like some others on this thread, I've lost count of the occasions I have seen very drunk passengers at the gate allowed on the aircraft where it was far from clear if the flight deck or cabin crew had been consulted.

Part of the problem is most ground staff these days work for a third party, earn a pittance, have limited training and face a direct disincentive sorting out problem passengers (because they'll end up having to deal with them long after the flight has gone).

[NotPilotAtALL]

Hi,

Simply put the sign "Toilets" on the right door will solve the problem .....

Cheers.

[Agaricus bisporus]

"She evidently wanted to get some fresh air and tried to open the door, which obviously did not work,"

"Evidently"

"Obviously"

How "evidentlly" reporters spout non-grammatical nonsense that is "obviously" both superfluous crap and baseless, irrational assumption.

News????

The garbage these pointless people come out with!

[SXB]

Anyone who thinks Britain is spiralling towards anarchy clearly doesn't travel very much, or maybe they read the Daily Mail.... Also, and not wanting to point the finger, did someone resident in South Africa really have the gall to criticise law and order in the UK ?

[Parapunter]

Yamaha makes enormous generalisations about a race of people, Rainboe bites for a change. Let them get on with it. Airlines peddle booze for profit & from time to time it gets out of hand. It's the cost of doing business, sad as that may be, it's nonetheless the truth.

[Rainboe]

I hate drunks. I hardly drink, and when your company or friends get drunk, you might as well leave them, you will not get any sense anymore that night. Once we checked in for a JNB-LHR flight to have the groundstaff asking about a drunk on an Air Rhodesia flight from Harare connecting with us. 'He punched a stewardess in the face...will you take him?'....er no. Another earnest drunk businessman desperate to travel from Madrid to Gatwick' because his father had died, and I promise I will be no trouble'. I took him against the wishes of the cabin crew. Airborne he 'forgot' about his father, who had not died, opened his own duty free and got further smashed, then got objectionable about 'why am I going to Gatwick?- I want to go to Amsterdam anyway'.

I just have no patience with them now. For something that makes you an idiot and socially boring, why do people pay those prices? Sitting hitting yourself on the head until you go stupid must be a lot cheaper.

[rottenray]

Drunks, Opening Doors, Et Cetera...

Folks,

A couple of you have written "I hate drunks," a few others have suggested banning alcohol on flights.

It's not the juice, it's the person drinking it. Many of my friends are people who, quite honestly, are a lot of fun to tie one on with.


The REAL problem is that for the last half-generation, popular entertainment on the web, television, and home media has become pure garbage.


I'm talking about all the reality shows, all the "Jackass" DVDs and their imitators, and the goofs who imitate that and post it on YouTube.

Watching 2 or 3 hours of this tripe leaves you with the impression that being rude, stupid and dangerous is desirable. Watching 2 - 3 hours a day for the last 8 years of your life could probably affect the way you perceive how your actions affect others.

We're seeing adults who were in their mid to late teens when this trend started, and older adults who imitate them, and this kind of behavior is the result.

The only difference is that there isn't a dramatic narration and canned laughter to go along with the idiotic stunts people try to get away with...

[Parapunter]

It is nevertheless an uncomfortable truth that the business, for it is a business that you serve peddles the stuff to it's punters and that on occasion a rumpus erupts as a direct result, culminating in diverts, scared pax, incurred costs & police involvement. Whether you like drunks or not is neither here nor there, unless of course you invoke your conscience & cease complicity with the whole thing. Thought not.

Naah, Im just sh**ting ya, but Rainboe, you can be such a commander squeaky pants on here, that you deserve a bullet or two from time to time! Cheers hic!

[rhythm method]

Women try to open door mid-flight - MSN News UK - news & weather

I thought I would post this link to the MSN report on the incident. I was particularly impressed with the photograph of the aircraft in the article... perhaps that was the transport that the 2 drunken bints were flown home in!

[Avitor]

It's no good hanging damages and costs on them, chavs like them do not pay. Flag them up as not fit for air travel.

[Roadster280]

Fine or Jail?

How about the court ordering them to pay the cost incurred by XL, and the other pax with missed transport, connections (if any), hotel bills, the costs of the Polizei, repatriation etc etc. This should restore a balance of fairness.

Then jail them by way of punishment. Just a year or two, no need to go to town on them, just enough to be a meaningful punishment and a deterrent.

[Load Toad]

The incident was two people getting very drunk and then abusive and aggressive and endangering the 'plane and / or passengers and crew.

And the thread degenerates into debates about alcohol and whose nation is the bestest.

You then all get angry and throw accusations around and stamp your little feet and rant and go on showing no respect for other contributors of the thread and exhibit the same ignorance, disregard for others and sometimes aggression that the two drunks did. Are you all drunk too?

Which is amusing.

By the way - did any of you get to choose on which part of the planet you were born on and with regard to the laws / culture of each of your nations how much did you / do you contribute to them and how well do you represent the identity of these nations you are so proud or appalled by?

[Rollingthunder]

Perhaps it is not a question of representing a National identity. I am a Canadian of British origin but I don't lead my life according to some National precept.

The biggest influences for good behaviour and manners are parents and teachers no matter the nationality.

Of course there are bad parents and bad teachers and children who grow up not caring one iota.

These two idiots should pay reparations and serve some time in prison. It is a way to learn the consequences of uncivilized, selfish and dangerous behaviour.

[NVpilot]

I took him against the wishes of the cabin crew

That certainly opens yourself up to liability, from my experience, disorderly drinkers never get more behaved after climbing to 8000 Ft cabin altitude, I personally go out of my way to back them up, others may disagree.

[Bern Oulli]

What a pity that, for various boring technical reasons, it was not possible to say "You want some fresh air? Be my guest, step this way ladies". Sorted.