Naked Rambler jailed after plane strip
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Naked Rambler jailed after plane strip
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'Naked rambler Stephen Gough has been jailed for four months after stripping off on a passenger plane.
The 47-year-old was found guilty of charges of breach of the peace and public indecency on a flight from Southampton to Edinburgh.'
I have to confess I think that sentence is way OTT, given the leniency shown to far too many pax who actually turn nasty/violent - by all accounts he didn't cause any problem or scare anyone.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/5111042.stm
'Naked rambler Stephen Gough has been jailed for four months after stripping off on a passenger plane.
The 47-year-old was found guilty of charges of breach of the peace and public indecency on a flight from Southampton to Edinburgh.'
I have to confess I think that sentence is way OTT, given the leniency shown to far too many pax who actually turn nasty/violent - by all accounts he didn't cause any problem or scare anyone.
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I think any situation which needs the captain to leave the flight deck is endangering the flight. Would you consider that a problem?
This bloke got what he deserved. Bearing in mind he was travelling to Edinburgh to appear in court I'd have thought he would be on his best behaviour.
Would you like an unwashed, stinking **** sitting next to you for an hour?
This bloke got what he deserved. Bearing in mind he was travelling to Edinburgh to appear in court I'd have thought he would be on his best behaviour.
Would you like an unwashed, stinking **** sitting next to you for an hour?
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Well, we don't actually know if he was
But we do know that he was naked and deliberately so.
This man has been defying the Police and courts in Scotland for many months and took this action in, almost certainly, full knowledge of the outcome. He was on his way to a court hearing on a similar charge. He found no difficulties in walking naked in England but the Scots did not like and kept arresting him, he kept on refusing to be dressed in court and has been prosecuted for Contempt.
I agree that the CC had no choice but to ask the Captain for instructions and that, given the unusual situation, that Police action would follow. This man has proved to be harmless at all times during the many arrests but that could not possibly be known to the CC. Not to mention that he is very tall and anyone with behaviour outside of accepted norms must be presumed suspicious.
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This man has been defying the Police and courts in Scotland for many months and took this action in, almost certainly, full knowledge of the outcome. He was on his way to a court hearing on a similar charge. He found no difficulties in walking naked in England but the Scots did not like and kept arresting him, he kept on refusing to be dressed in court and has been prosecuted for Contempt.
I agree that the CC had no choice but to ask the Captain for instructions and that, given the unusual situation, that Police action would follow. This man has proved to be harmless at all times during the many arrests but that could not possibly be known to the CC. Not to mention that he is very tall and anyone with behaviour outside of accepted norms must be presumed suspicious.
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Paxboy,
He was. I spoke to the crew the day after it happened. Smelt like old cheese apparently!
Both the cabin crew were quite intimidated by him and his refusal to obey their, what I consider, lawful commands. Hence the reaon for the Captain, a female, leaving the flight deck.
He was. I spoke to the crew the day after it happened. Smelt like old cheese apparently!
Both the cabin crew were quite intimidated by him and his refusal to obey their, what I consider, lawful commands. Hence the reaon for the Captain, a female, leaving the flight deck.
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"I think any situation which needs the captain to leave the flight deck is endangering the flight"
How about the situation when the captain needs to leave the flight deck to answer the call of nature? Endangering the flight? I think not...
Totally OTT on the sentence.
How about the situation when the captain needs to leave the flight deck to answer the call of nature? Endangering the flight? I think not...
Totally OTT on the sentence.
Hence the reaon for the Captain, a female, leaving the flight deck.
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Originally Posted by PAXboy
.... Not to mention that he is very tall and anyone with behaviour outside of accepted norms must be presumed suspicious.
eg Many people do not approve of mothers breast-feeding in public but some mothers insist it is their right.
I would be embarrased sitting next to a naked man or woman on a plane, bus or train. I might even have to refuse a hot drink for fear I spill it!
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Leaving the flight deck to answer the call of nature on a one hour flight is completely unnecessary. This is why we are encouraged to go before we go.
A toilet break, IF it's required, is not the same as having to leave the flight deck to deal with a disruptive passenger. After all, do you REALLY know what's happening, or what will happen, in the cabin, or indeed the flight deck when you're not there?
The reason we have two pilots? Monitoring. Two sets of eyes, two sets of ears and two brains. If you take away half of your monitoring capability then you double the chances of something being missed.
OTT? I think not.
A toilet break, IF it's required, is not the same as having to leave the flight deck to deal with a disruptive passenger. After all, do you REALLY know what's happening, or what will happen, in the cabin, or indeed the flight deck when you're not there?
The reason we have two pilots? Monitoring. Two sets of eyes, two sets of ears and two brains. If you take away half of your monitoring capability then you double the chances of something being missed.
OTT? I think not.
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
Paxboy,
He was. I spoke to the crew the day after it happened. Smelt like old cheese apparently!
Both the cabin crew were quite intimidated by him and his refusal to obey their, what I consider, lawful commands. Hence the reaon for the Captain, a female, leaving the flight deck.
He was. I spoke to the crew the day after it happened. Smelt like old cheese apparently!
Both the cabin crew were quite intimidated by him and his refusal to obey their, what I consider, lawful commands. Hence the reaon for the Captain, a female, leaving the flight deck.
WRT what some other posters have said, I hadn't heard that the Capt. left the flight deck at any time - just that they had asked the police to meet the flight. Chesty seems to have inside information on this - but it seems to me (and I say this VERY gently, I wasn't there) that there's some room to question the judgement of a Captain who leaves the flight deck to deal with a pax who isn't being violent, disruptive, abusive, or dangerous. You're paid to fly the damn thing.
If he was odiferous, shame on him - I still think four months very excessive for a situation where there was no abuse, assault, or endangerment of the flight.
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Originally Posted by Ranger One
question the judgement of a Captain who leaves the flight deck to deal with a pax who isn't being violent, disruptive, abusive, or dangerous. You're paid to fly the damn thing
If he had become violent we are lawfully allowed to recruit able bodied people to help restrain him. And at that point I would be diverting to the nearest airfield. But I don't think that was ever going to be an issue.
As far as not being prosecuted for "Disobeying lawful commands". Quite often you will find the attending police aren't familiar with the ANO and it is up to us to explain the pertinent parts of it. It seems this didn't happen when he was arrested.
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
Quite right Ranger. The trouble was initialy he refused to sit down and therefore distracted the cabin crew from their duties. I would consider this being disruptive.
Cabin: 'Sorry Captain but we have a male pax who has stripped naked and we're having trouble getting him to take his seat'
FD: 'This I must see!'
If he had become violent we are lawfully allowed to recruit able bodied people to help restrain him. And at that point I would be diverting to the nearest airfield.
As far as not being prosecuted for "Disobeying lawful commands". Quite often you will find the attending police aren't familiar with the ANO and it is up to us to explain the pertinent parts of it. It seems this didn't happen when he was arrested.
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Ok, Chesty, I don't necessarily agree with you over the points I made, but aside from that, I still think that the sentence they gave him, in comparison to the sentencing handed down to other people who have disrupted flights is totally OTT. (edited to add) No question, his decision to disrupt the flight was a significant error of judgement, but 4 months worth? I don't think so.
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How did she keep a straight face, trying to reason with a tall, naked guy? I hope she was also tall 
If the cabin crew really were intimidated by one naked guy, how on earth would they feel with serious, drunk, aggressive, abusive, violent trouble makers?
Having followed some of this guy's 'actions' on the Beeb website, when I think of all the things wrong in this world - starvation, torture, corruption, destruction, etc, etc, his desire to be allowed to wander around naked seems to pale in comparison, and some people do seem to be getting awfully hot under the collar over such relatively innocuous behaviour.
So, anyone who would want to strip naked in the midge-capital of the world is definitely barking, but I would have thought that there were more important problems that need to be addressed in life.
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How did she keep a straight face, trying to reason with a tall, naked guy? I hope she was also tall If the cabin crew really were intimidated by one naked guy, how on earth would they feel with serious, drunk, aggressive, abusive, violent trouble makers?Having followed some of this guy's 'actions' on the Beeb website, when I think of all the things wrong in this world - starvation, torture, corruption, destruction, etc, etc, his desire to be allowed to wander around naked seems to pale in comparison, and some people do seem to be getting awfully hot under the collar over such relatively innocuous behaviour.
So, anyone who would want to strip naked in the midge-capital of the world is definitely barking, but I would have thought that there were more important problems that need to be addressed in life.
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Cabin: 'Sorry Captain but we have a male pax who has stripped naked and we're having trouble getting him to take his seat'
FD: 'This I must see!'
oh for a camera phone......
FD: 'This I must see!'
oh for a camera phone......
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Ranger.
I agree involving the flight deck was not the best solution, but you're right it was the CC's call and at the end of the day the situation was dealt with.
I too would hope that the police based at a particular airport would have a working knowledge of the ANO. But sometimes police from local forces are called in to deal with situations and I'm assuming they've never heard of the ANO. It is up to us to make sure the police are properly briefed when they turn up regardless.
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She was a short diminutive captain. Just the right height to...well never mind!
I can't comment on other peoples sentences for disrupting flights. But I do think that if they're not harsh enough people will never learn. I suppose they were just trying to make an example of this chap, bearing in mind he was travelling to another court appearance for similar behaviour I assume that this sentence reflected BOTH punishments combined.
But you're right there are more important things to worry about
I agree involving the flight deck was not the best solution, but you're right it was the CC's call and at the end of the day the situation was dealt with.
I too would hope that the police based at a particular airport would have a working knowledge of the ANO. But sometimes police from local forces are called in to deal with situations and I'm assuming they've never heard of the ANO. It is up to us to make sure the police are properly briefed when they turn up regardless.
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She was a short diminutive captain. Just the right height to...well never mind!
I can't comment on other peoples sentences for disrupting flights. But I do think that if they're not harsh enough people will never learn. I suppose they were just trying to make an example of this chap, bearing in mind he was travelling to another court appearance for similar behaviour I assume that this sentence reflected BOTH punishments combined.
But you're right there are more important things to worry about
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Sorry to hear that he was part of the great unwashed, most unpleasant. Whilst the sentence appears to be OTT for this, I strongly suspect that the 'beak' was taking into consideration that this fellow has been defying the Scottish Police and Courts for more than a year.
If he really wanted to get sympathy for his 'cause' then he would dress when in court and avoid a sentence, so that he could be naked outdoors once again. That he continually does things that are bad for him (and ignoring the advice of his solicitor) then I conclude that he is wilfully doing this for reasons unknown - or he is not in full charge of his faculties. Certainly not sufficient to mark him as dangerous to others but not in the mainstream!
On this occasions (a FlyBe sector, I believe) he went through the terminal in the usual way and only udressed once airborne, he knew the effect that it would have. All crew would be concerned at a tall and strong man (ex-Army Marine) who refuses to obey instructions, whether he was naked or not.
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If he really wanted to get sympathy for his 'cause' then he would dress when in court and avoid a sentence, so that he could be naked outdoors once again. That he continually does things that are bad for him (and ignoring the advice of his solicitor) then I conclude that he is wilfully doing this for reasons unknown - or he is not in full charge of his faculties. Certainly not sufficient to mark him as dangerous to others but not in the mainstream!
On this occasions (a FlyBe sector, I believe) he went through the terminal in the usual way and only udressed once airborne, he knew the effect that it would have. All crew would be concerned at a tall and strong man (ex-Army Marine) who refuses to obey instructions, whether he was naked or not.
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If he was odiferous, shame on him - I still think four months very excessive for a situation where there was no abuse, assault, or endangerment of the flight.
Read an article last week about a guy who moonied on a night out and was placed on the sex offenders register. If thats the case they should lock up and throw away the key for this naked rambler. The guy is a loony and the documentary about him showed he was a pervert when he was sh@*?ing all and sundry when he was engaged.
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If he had become violent we are lawfully allowed to recruit able bodied people to help restrain him.
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Would you like them to be exposed to by a grown adult? This guy is a pervert and should be put on the sex offenders register.
he was a pervert when he was sh@*?ing all and sundry when he was engaged
He isn't doing anything to little kids, he is just expressing himself to be as nature intended. I don't see why people have a problem with the human body in its most natural form - must be them who actually have the "problem".
One again though, this shows how the justice system is failing in BLiar's Britain - racist thugs are let off whilst we jail an old granny and a naked guy
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Originally Posted by smith
Do you have kids R1? Would you like them to be exposed to by a grown adult? This guy is a pervert and should be put on the sex offenders register.
And our kids are growing up just great thank you.
The rambler guy sounds a bit of a prat to be honest, but I have more sympathy with his viewpoint than yours.
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If this happened during flight one thing is being missed during all the posturing.
The Flight crew do not leave the flight deck during a disturbance. Thats as much as I will say on a Forum. The rest is available on the security course sylabus, which those of you who are genuine pilots in an airline should have done. If the situation escalates there are options open to the flight crew, but leaving the flight deck isnt one of them.Including if the cabin crew are threatenened with weapons. In this case the most this weapon would have done, (cheessy unwashed or not) would be possibly put a smile on someones face.
PS ranger 1, whats a casual nudist.Does it refer to the less formal socks or the way you lounge around, casually
The Flight crew do not leave the flight deck during a disturbance. Thats as much as I will say on a Forum. The rest is available on the security course sylabus, which those of you who are genuine pilots in an airline should have done. If the situation escalates there are options open to the flight crew, but leaving the flight deck isnt one of them.Including if the cabin crew are threatenened with weapons. In this case the most this weapon would have done, (cheessy unwashed or not) would be possibly put a smile on someones face.
PS ranger 1, whats a casual nudist.Does it refer to the less formal socks or the way you lounge around, casually