When are Ryanair going to grow up and stop lying?????

[jettesen]

Just looking at ryanair website, and again they keep lying through their teeth. Saying that they are twice the age of easyjet, and have been providing low fares from day one.


If I remember correctly, they were a high fare full service airline on the border of going under before easyjet arrived and developed the low cost market. why the constant lies??? They might be half the price of easyjet, but they have to give their seats away for FREE to get passangers. They could never fill one of their planes if they had no seat giveaway or sale or some sort of offer. Juwst goes to show who the REAL winner is here

[Gary Lager]

My airline's better than yours, na na na-na na

[jettesen]

no its not like that, just wish they would stop lying . so immature. what other airlines do that??

[Gary Lager]

What airlines don't do that?

[Final 3 Greens]

easyjet arrived and developed the low cost market.

Herb Kelleher would be interested to hear that

[EI-CFC]

If I remember correctly, they were a high fare full service airline on the border of going under before easyjet arrived and developed the low cost market. why the constant lies???

No, the dropped the high fare full service aspect before easyJet came along.

[slim_slag]

I seem to remember Ryanair being the cheapest even before O'Leary arrived in 1991. Back then there was a lot of regulation of ticket prices and I don't think it was possible to provide a really cheap scheduled service, but they still beat the flag carriers cost wise.

[EI-CFC]

I seem to remember Ryanair being the cheapest even before O'Leary arrived in 1991

They certainly were cheaper than Aer Lingus and BA on the LON - DUB routes

[PAXboy]

I have just checked the BA site and cannot find the quote at the moment but, I reacll them claiming a history of 80 years, which is actually from the time that Imperial Airways was formed by merging three other companies in 1924. As I understand it:[list=a][*]1919 Aircraft Transport and Travel (AT&T), first daily international scheduled air service, between London and Paris. [*]1924 Imperial Airways[*]1935 British Airways (a private coimpany)[*]1939 BOAC (Nationalised)[*]1972 Merged with BEA[*]1974 British Airways[*]1987 British Airways plc[/list=a] But it's all one company, right.

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[The SSK]

From the Ryanair website

1985
Ryanair is set up by the Ryan family with a share capital of just £1, and a staff of 25. We launch our first route in July with daily flights on a 15-seater Bandeirante aircraft, operating daily from Waterford in the southeast of Ireland to London Gatwick. Ryanair’s first cabin crew recruits must be less than 5ft. 2ins. tall in order to be able to operate in the tiny cabin of the aircraft!!

1986
Ryanair obtains permission from the regulatory authorities to challenge the British Airways and Aer Lingus’ high fare duopoly on the Dublin-London route. Services are launched with two (46-seater) turbo prop BAE748 aircraft. The first flights operate in May from Dublin to London Luton. The launch fare of £99 return is less than half the price of the BA/Aer Lingus lowest return fare of £209. Both British Airways and Aer Lingus slash their high prices in response to Ryanair’s. Ryanair starts the first fare war in Europe. With two routes in operation, Ryanair carries 82,000 passengers in its first full year in operation.

[TotalBeginner]

This has to be my favourite lie...

quote:
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Ryanair is possibly the only airline in Europe that does not overbook its flights; therefore Ryanair has eliminated the possibility of passengers being involuntarily denied boarding as a result of overbooking. However if for technical or immigrant requirements, it becomes necessary to accommodate passengers on another flight, Ryanair will seek to prioritise the needs of those passengers whose flight was disrupted and minimise the delay for passengers effected
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This is not the case.

737-800 - Capacity 189 / Saleable seats 196
737-200 - Capacity 130 / Saleable seats 136

The excuses are: Some of the aircraft seats are u/s, or there are a number of unacompanied deportees on board that we have to transport.

[Wing Commander Fowler]

They could never fill one of their planes if they had no seat giveaway or sale or some sort of offer. Juwst goes to show who the REAL winner is here

....... yep - the passenger and the company which makes €260 million profit per year!

And your point?

[manintheback]

I've never flown ryanair - doesnt go from any airport near to me so no reason to.

But the hammering it gets on these forums would suggest it must be an absolute shocker to be a customer or an employee.

Yet year in year out its one of the most if not the most succesfull airlines on this planet.

So whats the real story?

[mutt]

absolute shocker to be a customer

Having flown on them for the last 20 years I believe that its a real case of you get what you pay for. My recommendation for anyone traveling with them is to read the small print.

Mutt.

[slim_slag]

It's an anonymous bulletin board, it doesn't have to be accurate. O'Leary has upset many powerful self interest groups so it's hardly surprising he and his company gets attacked in a place where you can say what you want. I think ryanair's passenger numbers speak for themselves.

mutt, if you read the small print, it isn't really any different from the other airlines.

[EI-CFC]

But the hammering it gets on these forums would suggest it must be an absolute shocker to be a customer or an employee.

Yet year in year out its one of the most if not the most succesfull airlines on this planet.

So whats the real story?

Normally the truth lies somewhere in between the two extremes..

[Globaliser]

slim_slag: I think ryanair's passenger numbers speak for themselves.

To an extent. RYR's big selling point is that they're cheap - but we know that they're not always the cheapest for a particular flight on a particular day etc. There'll be a proportion of RYR pax who book because they think it must be cheaper than with others; after all, everyone says so therefore it must be true. But it's not always the case.

This isn't a RYR-only phenomenon: The same thing happens for EZY and SWA amongst others. In a sense, this is a opacity benefit that accrues to these airlines from not participating in competitive pricing GDSs.

As for the experience, you basically get what it says on the tin. When it all goes right, which is most times, it's fine. When it doesn't, it can be bad. Whether you can live with those risks is a matter of personal choice.

[slim_slag]

Just another anonymous web site there Globaliser. Even virgin is getting a slagging on this forum right now. Does that make it a bad carrier?

What do you think of this then.
Ryanair cancels due to fog Is this any different from what one of the larger so called full service legacy carriers would do?

[Globaliser]

slim_slag: Just another anonymous web site there Globaliser.

Actually, I see a lot of apparently real names being used on that site, so I don't actually agree.

Also, it's worth reading the pages for different airlines on that site. Most attract a balance of good and bad comments. Everyone can judge for themselves what the balance is in respect of RYR, at least in the more recent comments that you can currently read. No doubt they stem only from the small minority of RYR flights that go wrong - but you can't complain of being uninformed about what happens as a RYR pax when things do go pear-shaped.

If nothing else, read the RYR pages, and then read the EZY pages. Same random pool of members of the public. Obvious mix of experienced and inexperienced passengers. No interest groups that are paid to bombard that site with anti-RYR rhetoric. Yet the contrast between them is pretty marked.

What do you think of this then.
Ryanair cancels due to fog Is this any different from what one of the larger so called full service legacy carriers would do?

As I understand it, yes, on two accounts.

First, I'm told that the airlines like BA have equipment like Cat 3 autoland that airlines like RYR find too expensive to fit and maintain and to keep their crews current on. So sometimes BA can keep flying when RYR has to stop. Not being in the industry, I'll be glad to be corrected if I'm wrong about this.

Second, when RYR cancels a flight or a series of flights, you might have to wait days for the next available RYR flight - as the accounts given on the Skytrax website and elsewhere consistently report. Or else you just get your money back, which is not much good if you're stranded downroute. Major airlines do much more to get you out, or home, often re-routing on another carrier to do so even if it means reaccommodating in someone else's business class. (Yes, it has happened to me.)

[jack_essex]

As ive said on here before ive flown Ryanair loads of times (around 40-50) and theres never been a problem. Im flying with them to Spain on Monday and know I have nothing to worry about. I know how they work and what their terms and conditions are so there is no problem. I weigh my bag before, get there 2.5 hours before and get a window seat every so what more do you need from flying. They get me to where ever i'm going at extremely cheap prices and always on time. Enough said i think