Ryanair 'to cut frills further'
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I can only comment on RYR from the position as a punter, and a happy one at that.
Little experience of using any of the other low cost airlines but never been caught short with RYR so far.
That they use the 'off the beaten track' airports suits me fine as they are more conveniently placed to visit my family and friends on the near continent and with them being smaller the transfer times and car hire malarky is a lot shorter/easier than using the big hubs.
They are no frills and I am sure that in due course I will get stranded and have to pay for a hotel/car/alternate transport/expensive ticket elsewhere but so far they have been fine.
Have to agree that the 'no frills 73s' interior looks cheap and nasty, but I can put up with that easily for the 60-90 minutes that the average RYR sector is long.
Suppose others must have had different experiences.
FD
Little experience of using any of the other low cost airlines but never been caught short with RYR so far.
That they use the 'off the beaten track' airports suits me fine as they are more conveniently placed to visit my family and friends on the near continent and with them being smaller the transfer times and car hire malarky is a lot shorter/easier than using the big hubs.
They are no frills and I am sure that in due course I will get stranded and have to pay for a hotel/car/alternate transport/expensive ticket elsewhere but so far they have been fine.
Have to agree that the 'no frills 73s' interior looks cheap and nasty, but I can put up with that easily for the 60-90 minutes that the average RYR sector is long.
Suppose others must have had different experiences.
FD
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LTNman, I beg to differ. Ryanair cut the hold luggage allowance over a year ago from 20kg to 15 kg. This DOES NOT, as you say, include the on board allowance. My parents flew to Bournemouth the other week and were allowed to combine their luggage allowance both at Prestwick and at Bournemouth. I've flown with both Ryanair and Easyjet many times and have never had any problems with either airline!
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I've got to say this is a good move - my two pet hates killed off in one go! The person in front reclining into me without warning, and being asked by someone to close my window blind. (I actually like to see out)
Not so sure about the sick-yellow seats though.
- Michael
Not so sure about the sick-yellow seats though.
- Michael
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But then again... on the subject of 'no-frills' , BA WON THE TITLE OF LOW COST CARRIER OF THE YEAR - -offering a FULL service 
He's being beaten at his own game .... , MOL cornered at last
He's being beaten at his own game .... , MOL cornered at last
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Cost Cutting measures
Why not using the C130 and then give everybody a one time
use only parachute. Overfly the destination and drop the PAX
so they can save the landing fees. According to the EU they
have to expect that they pay them in the future and that hurts.
From the financial fiew I dont think it is a good idea to equip the
Aircraft without those essentials. If you want to sell it one day
You will get less for it if You dont have those specs....
If the PAX has to carry on the Baggage then there will be other
serious issues arrising: Security will get basarc with sizzors and
knives carried in the bags who should be loaded in the baggage
compartment. I am shure MOL will implement another fee soon
to cover this extra handling. At the end of the day I just wait and
see when the total travel cost are higher then with a major AL
like BA, AF, LH ie. because they use major Aiports only and You
can travel from point to point with a fair treatment and clean
Aircrafts. When the public start to think then MOL has stoped
himself by his own success.
NG
use only parachute. Overfly the destination and drop the PAX
so they can save the landing fees. According to the EU they
have to expect that they pay them in the future and that hurts.
From the financial fiew I dont think it is a good idea to equip the
Aircraft without those essentials. If you want to sell it one day
You will get less for it if You dont have those specs....
If the PAX has to carry on the Baggage then there will be other
serious issues arrising: Security will get basarc with sizzors and
knives carried in the bags who should be loaded in the baggage
compartment. I am shure MOL will implement another fee soon
to cover this extra handling. At the end of the day I just wait and
see when the total travel cost are higher then with a major AL
like BA, AF, LH ie. because they use major Aiports only and You
can travel from point to point with a fair treatment and clean
Aircrafts. When the public start to think then MOL has stoped
himself by his own success.
NG
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Flyin'Dutch' - Ive had good and bad experiences with FR since 1993. My latest incured a night at STN due to snow even though the runway opened 2 hours after departure. As well as that I had Michael Schumacher driving her to Charleroi from Liverpool who wanted to "Cut Corners" as he said on the flight announcement to enable an earlier landing?! Landing was like riding a rollercoaster.
Taking everything into consideration though, if its short haul and cheap, fair enough. More than 3 hours forget it! I dred the day they bring long haul low cost flights. When will they be asking us pax to fly the plane ourselves???
Thanks to the Ryanair check-in staff at Bari, Stanstead and Altenburg for letting me get away with a few more kilos than permitted. Its easy when you know how!
PS You have to ask for a sick bag now if you want one unless you take your own!
Taking everything into consideration though, if its short haul and cheap, fair enough. More than 3 hours forget it! I dred the day they bring long haul low cost flights. When will they be asking us pax to fly the plane ourselves???
Thanks to the Ryanair check-in staff at Bari, Stanstead and Altenburg for letting me get away with a few more kilos than permitted. Its easy when you know how!
PS You have to ask for a sick bag now if you want one unless you take your own!
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Hold your vomitus
ADF,
you must now request a sick bag from a member of cabin crew, this will result in further savings in costs that will be passed onto passengers, in the form of sprayed vomit. You need not wait, its a common occurance already!
SFPS
you must now request a sick bag from a member of cabin crew, this will result in further savings in costs that will be passed onto passengers, in the form of sprayed vomit. You need not wait, its a common occurance already!
SFPS
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LTNman and james170969
Friends of mine got caught with this weight restriction on the baggage and were not best pleased. They fly to the U.K. from europe at least 5-6 times a year and i nearly had them converted to flying ryanair but they have decided to stick with easyjet instead.
Friends of mine got caught with this weight restriction on the baggage and were not best pleased. They fly to the U.K. from europe at least 5-6 times a year and i nearly had them converted to flying ryanair but they have decided to stick with easyjet instead.
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Dear all,
Mrs BHR and I have flown several times over the last 12 months and without a doubt the best experience has been with BA. Flew GLA to LGW for £53 return all in. On a 737, great seats, inflight food and drink included in price. Could have flown Ryanair for £5 each less but since we live 3 miles from GLA and our connecting flight the next day was from LGW did not bother due to the hassle. Would have to say in all honesty I would make BA my 1st choice in the future. Worth paying more for the quality. It is the same as the difference between car ownership and using public transport. Sure you can save money but why go out of your way?
I am aware that Ryanair service many previously unreachable places and do it a low cost. If I ever need to go to these places then I will be glad to use them however on main routes I will pay the £5 extra.
El Toro,
When do you go for your luggage loading training? LOL
Cheers
BHR
Mrs BHR and I have flown several times over the last 12 months and without a doubt the best experience has been with BA. Flew GLA to LGW for £53 return all in. On a 737, great seats, inflight food and drink included in price. Could have flown Ryanair for £5 each less but since we live 3 miles from GLA and our connecting flight the next day was from LGW did not bother due to the hassle. Would have to say in all honesty I would make BA my 1st choice in the future. Worth paying more for the quality. It is the same as the difference between car ownership and using public transport. Sure you can save money but why go out of your way?
I am aware that Ryanair service many previously unreachable places and do it a low cost. If I ever need to go to these places then I will be glad to use them however on main routes I will pay the £5 extra.
El Toro,
When do you go for your luggage loading training? LOL
Cheers
BHR
This is nothing to do with 'passing on cost reductions to passengers'. Someone who has paid £1.50 or less for an international flight + tax isn't going to be looking for cost savings.
This is about profitability.
You can either increase revenue (charge (more) for the sandwiches, baggage, wheelchair, oxygen, or whatever) or reduce costs. The internal spec of the new aircraft is clearly a place for cash savings, but
a) will they last and
b) will the aircraft be worth less on the second hand market when FR want to upgrade the fleet?
This is about profitability.
You can either increase revenue (charge (more) for the sandwiches, baggage, wheelchair, oxygen, or whatever) or reduce costs. The internal spec of the new aircraft is clearly a place for cash savings, but
a) will they last and
b) will the aircraft be worth less on the second hand market when FR want to upgrade the fleet?
Helicopter Pilots Get It Up Quicker
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A collegue flew with them last week...
Knew the weight limits and made sure her bags were just under the 15kgs. Unfortunately she didn't count on them also weighing her small handbag/grab bag and the A4 folder she was carrying.
Ticket cost £9.99, excess luggage £16.00!
As for seats why bother - just put those handles, like in the tube, on the ceiling and make everyone stand! The reduced MTOW without the seats would probably allow the to double the pax load!
Knew the weight limits and made sure her bags were just under the 15kgs. Unfortunately she didn't count on them also weighing her small handbag/grab bag and the A4 folder she was carrying.
Ticket cost £9.99, excess luggage £16.00!
As for seats why bother - just put those handles, like in the tube, on the ceiling and make everyone stand! The reduced MTOW without the seats would probably allow the to double the pax load!
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I flew with them yesterday for 07.30 flight. check-in closes -30 to deprture so got there 10 minutes before it closed. Checked-in then asked to hurry straight through to the gate as the aircraft would be boarding at 07.00. Got to gate and sure enough we were boarded, only 37 passengers on board so we were all on by 07.05. Desperate to go to to the toilet so I proceeded to the back loo to be told by a crew member that for safety reasons in case of an evacuation toilets are not to be used on the ground. the crew member who told me this infact had 2 bar trolleys out in the galley parked in front of the exit blocking it counting the contents. The crew member concerned did not speak clear english so I presumed this was becuse the aircraft was being fuelled for the flight. This is now 07.25 nd no signs of going anywhere yet and I am desperate to go. fuelling truck goes so i go to the front and am told the same thing by the senior crew member who is stood in the front galley with her raincoat hung over the forward right door handle. My question is, is this just another one of ryanairs "own" rules or I.C:A:A rules because I have been cabin crew for the past 10 years and have never heard such a rule before. and if there was to be an evacuation the exits were blocked anyway. Safety is a big issue with this airline, basicly there is none and as for the 737-200 they dont need the seatpockets they have because hardly any had safety cards in them anyway.Oh and by the way i did only get to the toilet in LPL airport as the seat-belt sign was never switched off in-flight.
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Monty Python
These posts remind me of the Monty Python sketch.....you know the one where three blokes are talking about the bad old days...........
Seat recline? we used to dream about a couple of notches of tilt........luxury.....legroom?.......we used to sit on seat crossed legged with knees touching seat in front......luxury........seat.?.......we used to sit on floor strapped to overhead bin with rope if we were lucky..............floor?.........we straddled cross beams with us bodies or stood on suitcases in cargo bay.
What next? I reckon us carpet will be owt and lino layed down so char lady can swill t'cabin with hose pipe on turn round.
Hosties? Vending machine in front galley.
Lighting? Ryanair torch purchased at checkin (Compulsary)
Instruments? Mandatory hand held GPS from Tandy for all crew.
Windows? Photos of CAVOK alps on a sunny day by each pax.
Toilets? Go before you get on.
2 engines? Instant cost saving of 50% if you tell Boeing to do away with redundancy.
Hydraulics? Crew workouts and steroids for all.
Hey they havn't even started the proper cuts yet!
Coop & economy Bear
Seat recline? we used to dream about a couple of notches of tilt........luxury.....legroom?.......we used to sit on seat crossed legged with knees touching seat in front......luxury........seat.?.......we used to sit on floor strapped to overhead bin with rope if we were lucky..............floor?.........we straddled cross beams with us bodies or stood on suitcases in cargo bay.
What next? I reckon us carpet will be owt and lino layed down so char lady can swill t'cabin with hose pipe on turn round.
Hosties? Vending machine in front galley.
Lighting? Ryanair torch purchased at checkin (Compulsary)
Instruments? Mandatory hand held GPS from Tandy for all crew.
Windows? Photos of CAVOK alps on a sunny day by each pax.
Toilets? Go before you get on.
2 engines? Instant cost saving of 50% if you tell Boeing to do away with redundancy.
Hydraulics? Crew workouts and steroids for all.
Hey they havn't even started the proper cuts yet!
Coop & economy Bear
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Ha ha
Now the oul window blinds & reclining seats bit personally won't bother me but let me get this straight, FR are thinking of cutting costs by insisting the pax load their own luggage into the hold of the plane. What a load of oul bolllox, it's so stupid its laughable & I'm sure it will go down like a right tonnes of bricks by airport authorities. They'll be asking us to clean the plane next, well in a way they already do but next they'll being handing us a hoover & a rag. I mean what about the security & safety implications with all those refuelling trucks etc & pax running higgedly piggedly around the tarmac. I've never heard anything so ridiculous, it must be an Irish joke. Whoever thought it up let alone voiced it must be a right eejit!
As it is FR have downgraded the flying experience enough. My last flight with them resembled one long high powered sales pitch, you could add that now to the myriad of skills FR FA's have to have now, while there worked to the bone for pittance. Where has all the glamour of the days of old gone?
MOL is really beginning to lose my admiration the way he treats alot of his staff, now he expects FA's to fork out €3,000 for the privilege of being trained while he lives in opulent splender. My opinion of him is fast going down the loo & I wouldn't work for him if he was the last person on earth.
The whole scenario makes me feel embarassed to be Irish
Coco
Now the oul window blinds & reclining seats bit personally won't bother me but let me get this straight, FR are thinking of cutting costs by insisting the pax load their own luggage into the hold of the plane. What a load of oul bolllox, it's so stupid its laughable & I'm sure it will go down like a right tonnes of bricks by airport authorities. They'll be asking us to clean the plane next, well in a way they already do but next they'll being handing us a hoover & a rag. I mean what about the security & safety implications with all those refuelling trucks etc & pax running higgedly piggedly around the tarmac. I've never heard anything so ridiculous, it must be an Irish joke. Whoever thought it up let alone voiced it must be a right eejit!
As it is FR have downgraded the flying experience enough. My last flight with them resembled one long high powered sales pitch, you could add that now to the myriad of skills FR FA's have to have now, while there worked to the bone for pittance. Where has all the glamour of the days of old gone?
MOL is really beginning to lose my admiration the way he treats alot of his staff, now he expects FA's to fork out €3,000 for the privilege of being trained while he lives in opulent splender. My opinion of him is fast going down the loo & I wouldn't work for him if he was the last person on earth.
The whole scenario makes me feel embarassed to be Irish
Coco
