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The story on the radio is slightly different.... They have an interview with cop involved and in his words..the story is that she was asked going through the security check point what was in the backpack.......when she stated she was carrying a bomb she was asked to repeat herself, again she said I am arrying a bomb.
Well if that is the true version of how it happened then she is where she seserves to be. Sounds like she was given the chance to get out of it and did not.....
When you play games...... sometimes you loose!!
Well if that is the true version of how it happened then she is where she seserves to be. Sounds like she was given the chance to get out of it and did not.....
When you play games...... sometimes you loose!!
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I personally don't approve of the behavior of the girl or the reaction of the security forces. One asks don't they have better things to do, like looking for guys with ammo in their pockets?
Doesn't it worry you guys that every journalist who want to breach airport security has been able to do so? I don't think that the current security system will prevent a bunch of smart terrorists from carrying out another 9/11.
I personally don't care if you come to the airport dressed as Osama Bin laden, what i care about is the quality of airport security.
I've noticed during my stay in America that police and security officers like to play hero and make a big deal out of nothing. That's why when someone makes a joke about airport security, it ends up on the world news and Trooper Johnson finally gets his 15 minutes of fame.
I'm sure that all over europe people make these jokes, so how come we never hear about them on breaking news.
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Doesn't it worry you guys that every journalist who want to breach airport security has been able to do so? I don't think that the current security system will prevent a bunch of smart terrorists from carrying out another 9/11.
I personally don't care if you come to the airport dressed as Osama Bin laden, what i care about is the quality of airport security.
I've noticed during my stay in America that police and security officers like to play hero and make a big deal out of nothing. That's why when someone makes a joke about airport security, it ends up on the world news and Trooper Johnson finally gets his 15 minutes of fame.
I'm sure that all over europe people make these jokes, so how come we never hear about them on breaking news.
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Brit girl arrested for bomb "joke"
Of course she got arrested, i mean what a stupid thing to say! Has she been hibernating these last 2 years or something? I have no sympathy for her at all.
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I absolutely agree. I can't help thinking much of the sympathy from some people in this forum is because it involves a young female.
I would like to know if the people who think she has been dealt with heavy handedly would be quite happy about a situation where joking with officials at airports about bombs and weapons is one of those everyday light hearted things that should be tolerated with a smile and a pat on the head.
I doubt that she will stay in custody long.
I absolutely agree. I can't help thinking much of the sympathy from some people in this forum is because it involves a young female.
I would like to know if the people who think she has been dealt with heavy handedly would be quite happy about a situation where joking with officials at airports about bombs and weapons is one of those everyday light hearted things that should be tolerated with a smile and a pat on the head.
I doubt that she will stay in custody long.
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Overreaction of course. It would have been enough to have taken her aside to a private room, searched her, given her a good talking to, delayed her enough to miss her flight etc.
No doubt she was stupid though, everyone knows that US officials have absolutely no sense of humour when it comes to "jokes" like this, understandably so.
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No doubt she was stupid though, everyone knows that US officials have absolutely no sense of humour when it comes to "jokes" like this, understandably so.
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Dear all,
From what I read on the BBC website she was asked 3 times and each time stated she had a bomb.
Also let us stop calling her a girl, she is a woman in every legal sense both here and in the US.
I have been as annoyed as the next pruner at certain heavy-handed US security announcements but in this case, I think they acted quite intelligently. I think if they prosecute her fully then that might be extreme as I think she has now learned her lesson and nothing would be served by imprisoning her any longer. I think she should be made to pay the bail, as it will be some small measure of covering the cost of the incident. Furthermore, she should not have her visa renewed for at least 2 years.
Cheers
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From what I read on the BBC website she was asked 3 times and each time stated she had a bomb.
Also let us stop calling her a girl, she is a woman in every legal sense both here and in the US.
I have been as annoyed as the next pruner at certain heavy-handed US security announcements but in this case, I think they acted quite intelligently. I think if they prosecute her fully then that might be extreme as I think she has now learned her lesson and nothing would be served by imprisoning her any longer. I think she should be made to pay the bail, as it will be some small measure of covering the cost of the incident. Furthermore, she should not have her visa renewed for at least 2 years.
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news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shropshire/3412123.stm
If this is the true story then all sympathy for her disappears from me and actually pat on the back for the security/policeman.
If this is the true story then all sympathy for her disappears from me and actually pat on the back for the security/policeman.
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The full treatment was unjustified. A carefully-delivered reprimand would have sufficed. However, in a country where human programming has supplanted education the outcome of this incident was hardly surprising.
At San Diego TSA a large prominent sign reads:
"All remarks about weapons, bombs and guns are taken seriously. Please, no jokes."
One wonders what would happen if a security person overheard part of a conversation between travelling companions along the lines of "...when I said that to my boss it went down like a bomb" or "...if you do that you're only giving them more ammunition." And so on.
BTW last Saturday's DT Travel section carried an article* on fortress America, which complements the thread I started elsewhere.
*'Opinion' by Michael Kerr, p. 10 "The US has new security but at the expense of its old civility."
At San Diego TSA a large prominent sign reads:
"All remarks about weapons, bombs and guns are taken seriously. Please, no jokes."
One wonders what would happen if a security person overheard part of a conversation between travelling companions along the lines of "...when I said that to my boss it went down like a bomb" or "...if you do that you're only giving them more ammunition." And so on.
BTW last Saturday's DT Travel section carried an article* on fortress America, which complements the thread I started elsewhere.
*'Opinion' by Michael Kerr, p. 10 "The US has new security but at the expense of its old civility."
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Silly behaviour indeed, but an even sillier response.
I have a holiday booked next summer to the states. It's been booked for several months - I can honestly say that I wish I hadn't booked it and it will be my last visit there. I'm certainly not looking forward to it the way I should be...
Why?
Because I'm dreading passing through US immigration and security. I'm not in the slightest bit worried about being a victim of terrorism. Is this the way it should be?
Of course, if I were a terrorist I probably wouldn't care
Wily
I have a holiday booked next summer to the states. It's been booked for several months - I can honestly say that I wish I hadn't booked it and it will be my last visit there. I'm certainly not looking forward to it the way I should be...
Why?
Because I'm dreading passing through US immigration and security. I'm not in the slightest bit worried about being a victim of terrorism. Is this the way it should be?
Of course, if I were a terrorist I probably wouldn't care
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Yaaaawn!!! Of course it's justified!
This level of stupidity baffles me!!! This same thing happens every six months or so and still they don't learn!!!
Joke about having a bomb in your bag and you'll be asked to "consider very carefully that last remark - I shall ask you again etc etc"
Repeat the "joke" and you'll laugh looking through barred windows - at best, you'll certainly miss your flight!
This level of stupidity baffles me!!! This same thing happens every six months or so and still they don't learn!!!
Joke about having a bomb in your bag and you'll be asked to "consider very carefully that last remark - I shall ask you again etc etc"
Repeat the "joke" and you'll laugh looking through barred windows - at best, you'll certainly miss your flight!
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Serves her right these are the type of people that write silly "B" on board notes and leave them in the lavs.Put her down for 6 months "no parole".
Kids like her cost our airlines thousands of pounds and frighten passengers.
, which at a time like this or for that matter anytime is not on!!!!
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Pointer (page 1) - yes mate it became the greatest place to live, the envy of others, home to the best sporting teams & brewers of the finest beers on the planet.
I wonder if any US flying lawyers could suggest if she invokes the First Amendment right of being able to say anything she likes... Is that the law of the land (so applicable to all in the US) or just to citizens?
I wonder if any US flying lawyers could suggest if she invokes the First Amendment right of being able to say anything she likes... Is that the law of the land (so applicable to all in the US) or just to citizens?
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Sounds to me like a silly, naive girl who made an off the cuff jokey remark without fully realising the implications of her behaviour, stupid behaviour but not criminal. As I said before someone I know a medical doctor infact piped up at security after 9/11 when his wife was queried about the pin in her brooch
"Its not much use without the grenade".
How he got away with it, I can't fathom & how anyone can find making jokes about bombs etc in public places acceptable or funny is beyond me. I can't help feeling sorry for the poor girl though
Sounds to me like a silly, naive girl who made an off the cuff jokey remark without fully realising the implications of her behaviour, stupid behaviour but not criminal. As I said before someone I know a medical doctor infact piped up at security after 9/11 when his wife was queried about the pin in her brooch
"Its not much use without the grenade".
How he got away with it, I can't fathom & how anyone can find making jokes about bombs etc in public places acceptable or funny is beyond me. I can't help feeling sorry for the poor girl though
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CONTRAST THE TREATMENT
Student freed after hoax alert
A 19-year-old German passenger arrested in connection with a hoax bomb alert that caused an American airliner to make an emergency landing at Shannon Airport was released without charge today by gardai.
By:Press Association
The Delta Airlines jet, with 147 passengers on board, was en route from Frankfurt, Germany, to Atlanta, Georgia, when it was forced to divert after a note indicating a bomb was aboard was found in the plane`s toilet.
The passengers and crew disembarked at Shannon and Flight DL27 was searched by garda officers before the alert was declared a hoax on Sunday night.
All the passengers and crew aboard the flight were questioned by detectives, who also took samples of handwriting and fingerprints in an attempt to trace the person responsible for writing the note.
The German student was arrested under the Air Navigation and Transport Act yesterday afternoon before the jet continued on its journey to the US, 24 hours late.
A garda spokesman said a file was being sent to the Director of Public Prosecutions.
For "a file was being sent to the DPP" read "The authorities are considering whether to charge and with what offence
A 19-year-old German passenger arrested in connection with a hoax bomb alert that caused an American airliner to make an emergency landing at Shannon Airport was released without charge today by gardai.
By:Press Association
The Delta Airlines jet, with 147 passengers on board, was en route from Frankfurt, Germany, to Atlanta, Georgia, when it was forced to divert after a note indicating a bomb was aboard was found in the plane`s toilet.
The passengers and crew disembarked at Shannon and Flight DL27 was searched by garda officers before the alert was declared a hoax on Sunday night.
All the passengers and crew aboard the flight were questioned by detectives, who also took samples of handwriting and fingerprints in an attempt to trace the person responsible for writing the note.
The German student was arrested under the Air Navigation and Transport Act yesterday afternoon before the jet continued on its journey to the US, 24 hours late.
A garda spokesman said a file was being sent to the Director of Public Prosecutions.
For "a file was being sent to the DPP" read "The authorities are considering whether to charge and with what offence
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The authority's response is surely made up of more than one event... First response is the cop/security one.."This girl has repeated 3 times that she has a bomb - - what do I do? Board her or detain her?"
No Contest - good response
Second response is by higher ranking cop/security..."We have established this girl was NOT carrying a bomb - do we charge her or release her thereby showing that such actions are not punishable?"
No Contest - good response
Third level is the judge..."Do I jail this girl or bail her at £4,500?"
No Contest - good response
Oh she can't make bail???....now her incarceration has nothing to do with anyones response....she is merely being treated like any other citizen
BTW...has anyone any idea of how much she 'stole' ie the delays whist her baggage was unloaded - did anyone miss a connection/job etc..there is a ££££s element to this too.
No Contest - good response
Second response is by higher ranking cop/security..."We have established this girl was NOT carrying a bomb - do we charge her or release her thereby showing that such actions are not punishable?"
No Contest - good response
Third level is the judge..."Do I jail this girl or bail her at £4,500?"
No Contest - good response
Oh she can't make bail???....now her incarceration has nothing to do with anyones response....she is merely being treated like any other citizen
BTW...has anyone any idea of how much she 'stole' ie the delays whist her baggage was unloaded - did anyone miss a connection/job etc..there is a ££££s element to this too.
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Same reaction from me - will they never learn???
As was pointed out, the BBC version's far less hysterical than first article, which reeks of the tabloid press - detention centres "packed with hardened criminals", etc. I'd disregard talk of 6 months' bird since trial's been set for Feb 6.
Anyway, let's not allow the facts to get in the way of a good story - and another excuse for American-bashing.
Wily Coyote, don't believe the hype. Quite frankly, US authorities are as snotty as ever, but if you're patient and co-operative, you'll have no problems.
As was pointed out, the BBC version's far less hysterical than first article, which reeks of the tabloid press - detention centres "packed with hardened criminals", etc. I'd disregard talk of 6 months' bird since trial's been set for Feb 6.
Anyway, let's not allow the facts to get in the way of a good story - and another excuse for American-bashing.
Wily Coyote, don't believe the hype. Quite frankly, US authorities are as snotty as ever, but if you're patient and co-operative, you'll have no problems.
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This woman was not ......
a terrorist.
She was not a threat to security.
She was guilty of nothing more than making an inappropriate, bad joke at the wrong time.
If the penalty for this is jail, while we all shout 'serves her right', then I'm afraid the terrorists have already won.
Buying into this panic, hysteria and paranoia may actually make us feel safer but it does not help airline security, it actually hinders it.
SoS
a terrorist.
She was not a threat to security.
She was guilty of nothing more than making an inappropriate, bad joke at the wrong time.
If the penalty for this is jail, while we all shout 'serves her right', then I'm afraid the terrorists have already won.
Buying into this panic, hysteria and paranoia may actually make us feel safer but it does not help airline security, it actually hinders it.
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Anyway, let's not allow the facts to get in the way of a good story - and another excuse for American-bashing. Wily Coyote, don't believe the hype. Quite frankly, US authorities are as snotty as ever, but if you're patient and co-operative, you'll have no problems.
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I agree with everyone here mostly, Stupid woman (girl) stupid comment repeated again even when asked a second time. Also a student to boot too. God help us from silly beings who think "jokes" like that are going to make anyone laugh in this day and age. Perhaps fueled by a few bevies in the bar with said boyfriend before going through security.
So she was going home to renew her visa. Well she won't need to bother doing that now!
Doubtless she's sorry she said it but generally I have no sympathy, Of course anyone who really had such a device in their hand baggage is hardly likely to admit it when asked are they? Now that would be "really" stupid!
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So she was going home to renew her visa. Well she won't need to bother doing that now!
Doubtless she's sorry she said it but generally I have no sympathy, Of course anyone who really had such a device in their hand baggage is hardly likely to admit it when asked are they? Now that would be "really" stupid!
Chess
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