Brit girl arrested for bomb "joke"
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lock her up
In the present situation bomb threats have to be reacted to despite the fact that the "real threat" may seem to be very low.
I would hope that the UK authoritys would react in the same way as those in the USA.
I hope the girl getts the prison time that remarks of this type deserve.
I have been a critic of the security system in the past but this time they have reacted properly.
I would hope that the UK authoritys would react in the same way as those in the USA.
I hope the girl getts the prison time that remarks of this type deserve.
I have been a critic of the security system in the past but this time they have reacted properly.
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... But it seems to me one could establish fairly quickly that this girl was no threat, just young and ignorant.
I beg to differ. I find your remark extremely naiive. She may be young but she is old enough to take responsibility for her actions. I certainly considered myself an adult at 15 years old and would not have dreamed of being impertinent to "officials".
When I served in Ulster, I saw a 24 year old mother in Northern Ireland with a bomb hidden under her baby - so forgive me if I find your statement rather naiive!
Unfortunately for the world, the terrorist does not necessarily wear pyjamas and a beard. He/she could equally be a well-educated, well-bred English aristocrat. We all know how easily College and University students are influenced by "causes" and some could be possibly persuaded to smuggle a device on to an aircraft if they believed the "cause" was right!
Every potential threat has to be taken seriously. "I have a bomb in my bag!" could be the girl's way of alerting security that she was doing something under duress. Can you imagine how the gutter press would react if a reporter said "I have a bomb in my bag" and the Security Guard took no notice!!!
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OK, so there I am on an evening flight to Geneva from LGW in 1999. Date April 1. Cockpit voice comes on - "Welcome to this evening's flight to Helsinki (speech continued for several minutes - in 2 languages). This really did happen.
Having lived in the UK throughout the IRA at their peak, and with experience of being in the vicinity of an IRA bomb in London when it went off, I take security (real security, that is) very seriously.
Well, we're all security-minded(on this site at least!), so do I:
1) Do the heroic thing, storm the cockpit and kill the pilots because they're obviously absolute nutters? (And probably get arrested in the process) - and delay the flight?
2) Raise a huge fuss and delay the flight? And probably get arrested in the process?
3) Reply in a loud voice "Oh no we're not, I'm a hijacker and I want to go to Beirut (insert destination of your choice)...........Only kidding, April Fool! Simply because I love a laugh as much as the next man.
4) Use my brain, have a think, use discretion, and laugh it off, oh yes, and point out to the flight crew that they have incurred 7 years of bad luck for doing an April Fool after mid-day?
I just don't know.
Nothing to do with her sex, or her age. Appropriate response is to detain her to ascertain the truth , or not behind her statement(s), make her miss the flight, or two, and send her on her way.
Also, having heard varying reports about what she was told to do, then if she was asked just to repeat her statement, then she did the right thing. Perhaps repeat means something different. If she was given the chance to modify her statement, she did the wrong thing.
It used to be that patriotism was the last refuge of the scoundrel. Security (airline, health and safety in UK councils, government, nuclear industry) is becoming the last refuge of the truly incompetent. A useless induhvidual makes a truly bad decision, then hides behind safety, security or whatever, because you would have to be mad, or a terrorist, or a commie, to say otherwise.
Despite having the greatest of respect for the US, where I lived happily for a number of years, I would have thought after unfortunate incidents such as the Salem witch trials and McCarthyism that they might desist from going overboard t the degree that they periodically do.
Serious security, well executed, has my full support. No argument. People hiding behind "You don't know what it's like", do not. Not least of which, because I do know.
Having lived in the UK throughout the IRA at their peak, and with experience of being in the vicinity of an IRA bomb in London when it went off, I take security (real security, that is) very seriously.
Well, we're all security-minded(on this site at least!), so do I:
1) Do the heroic thing, storm the cockpit and kill the pilots because they're obviously absolute nutters? (And probably get arrested in the process) - and delay the flight?
2) Raise a huge fuss and delay the flight? And probably get arrested in the process?
3) Reply in a loud voice "Oh no we're not, I'm a hijacker and I want to go to Beirut (insert destination of your choice)...........Only kidding, April Fool! Simply because I love a laugh as much as the next man.
4) Use my brain, have a think, use discretion, and laugh it off, oh yes, and point out to the flight crew that they have incurred 7 years of bad luck for doing an April Fool after mid-day?
I just don't know.
Nothing to do with her sex, or her age. Appropriate response is to detain her to ascertain the truth , or not behind her statement(s), make her miss the flight, or two, and send her on her way.
Also, having heard varying reports about what she was told to do, then if she was asked just to repeat her statement, then she did the right thing. Perhaps repeat means something different. If she was given the chance to modify her statement, she did the wrong thing.
It used to be that patriotism was the last refuge of the scoundrel. Security (airline, health and safety in UK councils, government, nuclear industry) is becoming the last refuge of the truly incompetent. A useless induhvidual makes a truly bad decision, then hides behind safety, security or whatever, because you would have to be mad, or a terrorist, or a commie, to say otherwise.
Despite having the greatest of respect for the US, where I lived happily for a number of years, I would have thought after unfortunate incidents such as the Salem witch trials and McCarthyism that they might desist from going overboard t the degree that they periodically do.
Serious security, well executed, has my full support. No argument. People hiding behind "You don't know what it's like", do not. Not least of which, because I do know.
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She was stupid, but not a threat. However, this from a report at
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...a-news-broward
"Marvin Badler, a security consultant who has worked with airlines for 35 years, is not surprised
"Some of them think they're cute," he said. "Some of them feel intimidated by the search and as a reaction -- it's like laughing -- they just blurt it out. I've seen it for many years. When you start searching a person they get annoyed and say `What, do you think I have a bomb in here?'"
The problem, Badler said, is that those smuggling weapons onto planes also use that tactic. Because airport security has to take action even when comments are made in jest, he said, it can lead to major disruptions. "
Now, how many times has anyone smuggling weapons onto a plane used this tactic?
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...a-news-broward
"Marvin Badler, a security consultant who has worked with airlines for 35 years, is not surprised
"Some of them think they're cute," he said. "Some of them feel intimidated by the search and as a reaction -- it's like laughing -- they just blurt it out. I've seen it for many years. When you start searching a person they get annoyed and say `What, do you think I have a bomb in here?'"
The problem, Badler said, is that those smuggling weapons onto planes also use that tactic. Because airport security has to take action even when comments are made in jest, he said, it can lead to major disruptions. "
Now, how many times has anyone smuggling weapons onto a plane used this tactic?
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Well, unlike others here, I'd have no qualms about visiting the US based on their treatment of this situation.
Why? Because unlike this girl (the word woman suggests maturity), I am not an utter and total retard who would make so idiotic a comment.
She's a student apparantly. Must be doing a BA in Being Braindead.
Throw the book at her is my 0.02 worth!
Why? Because unlike this girl (the word woman suggests maturity), I am not an utter and total retard who would make so idiotic a comment.
She's a student apparantly. Must be doing a BA in Being Braindead.
Throw the book at her is my 0.02 worth!
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Bealine, I never suggested that you shouldn't take every threat seriously, only that under these circumstances the appropriate response would have been cuff her, search her, question her, inconvenience her ... and that's it. It's enough to establish she does not possess anything that would be a threat to the aircraft and would be quite sufficient to stop her from ever saying anything that daft again.
The example you use of the 24-year-old terrorist in Northern Ireland, is a vivid reminder of how inhuman some people can be, but it's irrelevant in this case. That was an armed terrorist. This was an unarmed civilian.
If ignorance alone merited a jail term, then Dubya would be occupying a very different kind of house right now ...
The example you use of the 24-year-old terrorist in Northern Ireland, is a vivid reminder of how inhuman some people can be, but it's irrelevant in this case. That was an armed terrorist. This was an unarmed civilian.
If ignorance alone merited a jail term, then Dubya would be occupying a very different kind of house right now ...
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What an idiot!
I think she deserves everything she gets, "STUPID COW" weather we think it's harsh or not, the laws are there in place and if you break them, you pay the consiquences, and it's tough if you ask me, tough tough tough,
BANG HER UP i say!!!!!!
CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BANG HER UP i say!!!!!!
CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I won't be crossing you BEST L/CONTROLLER neither today or tomorrow. 
Reported on the Irish Indo today:
Heading: "Student faces 15 years in jail for airport bomb 'joke'"
Geez, some penalty have having a loose tongue & a quick mouth.
Paper says she joked about having three bombs in her rucksack & said to security while placing her hand luggage on a conveyor belt during security screening "Hey, be careful, I have three bombs in here".
"She allegedly repeated twice that she had a bomb in her small bag.
Her bail has been set for $5000 (€4000) & if her family can't put up the money she could face up to six months in jail while awaiting trial."
Her poor father who is hardly a young man at 75 & lives abroad has to shoulder all this worry at a time in life he should be having a quiet time.
Really the more I read this the more I'm convinced this girl wasn't mature enough to be let out on her own, let alone travel the world on her own.
Reported on the Irish Indo today:
Heading: "Student faces 15 years in jail for airport bomb 'joke'"
Geez, some penalty have having a loose tongue & a quick mouth.
Paper says she joked about having three bombs in her rucksack & said to security while placing her hand luggage on a conveyor belt during security screening "Hey, be careful, I have three bombs in here".
"She allegedly repeated twice that she had a bomb in her small bag.
Her bail has been set for $5000 (€4000) & if her family can't put up the money she could face up to six months in jail while awaiting trial."
Her poor father who is hardly a young man at 75 & lives abroad has to shoulder all this worry at a time in life he should be having a quiet time.
Really the more I read this the more I'm convinced this girl wasn't mature enough to be let out on her own, let alone travel the world on her own.
Her visa application:
I've always assumed that having a criminal record excludes you from the US for life. Its seems its probably true, especially for security risks-
http://www.usembassy.org.uk/cons_web.../add_crime.htm
The jail she staying at is a total hell-hole.. and she will probably not see her boyfriend for a long time, if ever. Man, what an Idiot.
I've always assumed that having a criminal record excludes you from the US for life. Its seems its probably true, especially for security risks-
http://www.usembassy.org.uk/cons_web.../add_crime.htm
The jail she staying at is a total hell-hole.. and she will probably not see her boyfriend for a long time, if ever. Man, what an Idiot.
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Well an American on the shuttle with me from Seattle to Vancouver was being interviewed before me, just say I wasn't eavesdropping. 
It started off with him being on disability in the US and not having worked since the year dot.
"How do you manage", asked the female immigration officer"
"Jesus Christ" he retorted.
It took all my self control to suppress a giggle, he wasn't doing himself any favours.
Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse for him the conversation took a steep downhill turn.
Turned out he had a criminal conviction for assault. I was astounded, almost felt sorry for him if he'd changed his ways. He was ordered to take his bags off the bus, the immigration lady said she'd decide later whether he would be allowed to continue his journey. Our driver whom I had offered to the grateful immigration official to bring in & sort out the fray (he thought I was the one in the stew) said he hadn't a hope in hell in getting into Canada.
If you have a criminal record you definitely can't get into the US under the visa waiver scheme, I'd say it limits your chances of getting into any country but don't know if it makes it 100% impossible or if it varies from country to country???
It started off with him being on disability in the US and not having worked since the year dot.
"How do you manage", asked the female immigration officer"
"Jesus Christ" he retorted.
It took all my self control to suppress a giggle, he wasn't doing himself any favours.
Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse for him the conversation took a steep downhill turn.
Turned out he had a criminal conviction for assault. I was astounded, almost felt sorry for him if he'd changed his ways. He was ordered to take his bags off the bus, the immigration lady said she'd decide later whether he would be allowed to continue his journey. Our driver whom I had offered to the grateful immigration official to bring in & sort out the fray (he thought I was the one in the stew
) said he hadn't a hope in hell in getting into Canada.If you have a criminal record you definitely can't get into the US under the visa waiver scheme, I'd say it limits your chances of getting into any country but don't know if it makes it 100% impossible or if it varies from country to country???
One had better be careful with language and what you carry.
A 'bombe' is of course used for making ice cream..........a 'bombe mousse' consists of 1.75 litres of sugar syrup, boiled with the yolks of 32 eggs and whisked into the consistency of cream, continually whisked while it cooled, and then having the same amount of cream added. Talk about a filling for the bombe and add birdbrain's story of his colleagues's BOM and you could easily get locked up. If you were in the catering trade, such a conversation could be perfectly legitimate.
Pity the Frenchwoman who speaks little English travelling onwards in the US carrying an ice cream 'bombe' (bombe de glace) as a present for someone......
A 'bombe' is of course used for making ice cream..........a 'bombe mousse' consists of 1.75 litres of sugar syrup, boiled with the yolks of 32 eggs and whisked into the consistency of cream, continually whisked while it cooled, and then having the same amount of cream added. Talk about a filling for the bombe and add birdbrain's story of his colleagues's BOM and you could easily get locked up. If you were in the catering trade, such a conversation could be perfectly legitimate.
Pity the Frenchwoman who speaks little English travelling onwards in the US carrying an ice cream 'bombe' (bombe de glace) as a present for someone......
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some people must have a real problem when travelling
looking at www.yourenotme.com I found 3 people called "Ivor Gunn"
how the h£ll do they ever check in, let alone get on a flight?
imagine it:
Bealine: name please
Passenger: Ivor Gunn
Bealine: security!
looking at www.yourenotme.com I found 3 people called "Ivor Gunn"
how the h£ll do they ever check in, let alone get on a flight?
imagine it:
Bealine: name please
Passenger: Ivor Gunn
Bealine: security!
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Interesting thread, it shows that you should not joke with airport security. The statement "It's a bomb" was qualfied a number of times and she did not back down until it was too late.
So this is the calibre of student in the UK - maybe Blair is right to start charging?
She is in prison until her court date - she is free to leave if she can post bail. Bail is set at a nominal £4,500 not to high for an idiot to raise, maybe her family/boyfriend can help. I wonder if any airline would fly her back to the UK even if she was allowed to leave the US?
Thumbs up for the security guy, and for the judge.
So this is the calibre of student in the UK - maybe Blair is right to start charging?
She is in prison until her court date - she is free to leave if she can post bail. Bail is set at a nominal £4,500 not to high for an idiot to raise, maybe her family/boyfriend can help. I wonder if any airline would fly her back to the UK even if she was allowed to leave the US?
Thumbs up for the security guy, and for the judge.
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Well bail has been posted so she's free to leave the States for the mo.
Saw her on telly today, a very pale, naive looking blonde girl. Said "she wasn't thinking at the time". That's obvious!
She looked like she needed to pinch herself every now & then to believe that's she's ended herself up in this situation, there was a look of disbelief, horror & despair on her face which she kept burying in her hands. Still feel very sorry for her, even though she's been treated like a criminal, she isn't one, silly, naive, maybe even immature but she sure as hell is going to grow up quickly after this. What a mess she's landed herself in
Saw her on telly today, a very pale, naive looking blonde girl. Said "she wasn't thinking at the time". That's obvious!
She looked like she needed to pinch herself every now & then to believe that's she's ended herself up in this situation, there was a look of disbelief, horror & despair on her face which she kept burying in her hands. Still feel very sorry for her, even though she's been treated like a criminal, she isn't one, silly, naive, maybe even immature but she sure as hell is going to grow up quickly after this. What a mess she's landed herself in
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...re/3417847.stm
Another eejit!
http://heraldsun.news.com.au/common/...55E1702,00.htm
When will they ever learn to keep their traps shut though why does this gobsh*te face potentially four years in jail why she could face 15. Why the disparagy?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...re/3417847.stm
Another eejit!
http://heraldsun.news.com.au/common/...55E1702,00.htm
When will they ever learn to keep their traps shut though why does this gobsh*te face potentially four years in jail why she could face 15. Why the disparagy?