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Squawk7700 20th Oct 2023 03:30

From memory, they clip themselves to the floor for restraint and C of G issue avoidance.

megan 20th Oct 2023 03:44

The jumpers do need to be restrained, but the restraint doesn't comply with the crash requirement protection provided by a seat designed to comply with the FAR. They use generally a single point anchored to the floor, the APF authorise/approve each individual aircraft type system.

https://libraryonline.erau.edu/onlin...ts/AM98-11.pdf

RickNRoll 20th Oct 2023 04:00

I thought those engines were so mature technically they never fail if maintained properly.

StallBuffett 20th Oct 2023 04:19

good effort
 
Wow. What's best glide in a caravan and what does that sight picture look like if the prop is still fine?

(Would it feather automatically? Not clear if we're talking partial or full loss of power)


I hear these guys on guys on the radio pretty regularly and they seem super professional and courteous to the mix of traffic.

Wishing those hurt a speedy recovery

cooperplace 20th Oct 2023 04:21


Originally Posted by megan (Post 11524235)
The jumpers do need to be restrained, but the restraint doesn't comply with the crash requirement protection provided by a seat designed to comply with the FAR. They use generally a single point anchored to the floor, the APF authorise/approve each individual aircraft type system.

https://libraryonline.erau.edu/onlin...ts/AM98-11.pdf

Ok thanks

Desert Flower 20th Oct 2023 05:31


Originally Posted by Forced Labor (Post 11524213)
Thought this aircraft had a Garrett not PT6

Yes, definitely a Garrett.

DF.

kingRB 20th Oct 2023 05:54


Originally Posted by megan (Post 11524170)
Once again a demonstration that the aircraft ride is the most dangerous part of skydiving, and not necessarily said tongue in cheek.


yeah - nah. Spend any time in the skydive world you'll see death and severe injury all the time. Most of it doesn't draw media attention like a downed aircraft does.

megan 20th Oct 2023 06:08

Only ever had one injury, make that two, injuries that I'm aware of on our DZ, first jump student broke a leg and I a twisted an ankle on a down wind landing during a spot landing comp.

kingRB 20th Oct 2023 06:21


Originally Posted by megan (Post 11524289)
Only ever had one injury, make that two, injuries that I'm aware of on our DZ, first jump student broke a leg and I a twisted an ankle on a down wind landing during a spot landing comp.

makes sense - your first post sounded like the usual mental gymnastics jumpers use to rationalise the risk.

Squawk7700 20th Oct 2023 06:37


Originally Posted by Desert Flower (Post 11524273)
Yes, definitely a Garrett.

DF.

Looks like a Honeywell to me from the pictures.

ACMS 20th Oct 2023 06:40

Idiots on Ch9 saying it was a “runway crash”

Squawk7700 20th Oct 2023 06:41


Originally Posted by Eaglerocker (Post 11524226)
Its time CASA scraps the whole skydiving can work under private ops deal, all it does is allow these operators to cut corners and not pay pilots award wages. Having worked for a skydive mob ive seen things that have no place in the aviation industry.

Are you suggesting that an under-paid pilot caused this aircraft to crash? Or is it due to the maintenance facility that's not doing their job because the company is cutting corners?

Capt Fathom 20th Oct 2023 07:22


Originally Posted by Squawk7700 (Post 11524300)
Looks like a Honeywell to me from the pictures.

Most of us 'oldies' refer to them as Garrett's.... otherwise no one knows what you're talking about!

Desert Flower 20th Oct 2023 07:34


Originally Posted by Squawk7700 (Post 11524300)
Looks like a Honeywell to me from the pictures.

Okay, so it was a Honeywell - which was originally designed in the 1950s by Garrett.

DF.

Cloudee 20th Oct 2023 08:22


Originally Posted by Squawk7700 (Post 11524303)
Are you suggesting that an under-paid pilot caused this aircraft to crash? Or is it due to the maintenance facility that's not doing their job because the company is cutting corners?

Or could he be suggesting the aircraft was grossly overweight, or ran out of fuel or the pilot was fatigued or maintenance issued not reported. Surely none of these things would occur in an Australian parachute operation under the rigorous scrutiny of the Parachute Federation and CASA.

Desert Flower 20th Oct 2023 08:37


Originally Posted by Cloudee (Post 11524352)
Or could he be suggesting the aircraft was grossly overweight, or ran out of fuel or the pilot was fatigued or maintenance issued not reported. Surely none of these things would occur in an Australian parachute operation under the rigorous scrutiny of the Parachute Federation and CASA.

Surely seventeen in a C208 is a tad overloaded though?

DF.

Squawk7700 20th Oct 2023 09:01


Originally Posted by Desert Flower (Post 11524363)
Surely seventeen in a C208 is surely a tad overloaded though?

DF.

That would depend on the weight of the aircraft. For an aircraft to be “overloaded” it means that MTOW has been exceeded.

There are a lot of seats in a 14 seat 208 and they weigh a lot, so so with seats removed and a low amount of fuel, the world is your oyster for cramming in pax, subject to regulatory limitations on the number of passengers.

Squawk7700 20th Oct 2023 09:02


Originally Posted by Cloudee (Post 11524352)
Or could he be suggesting the aircraft was grossly overweight, or ran out of fuel or the pilot was fatigued or maintenance issued not reported. Surely none of these things would occur in an Australian parachute operation under the rigorous scrutiny of the Parachute Federation and CASA.

Is a pilot more likely to overload an aircraft because they are being paid less?

Clare Prop 20th Oct 2023 10:14

There are plenty of operators who have CASA approvals ripping off their staff with sham contracting and/or wages well under the award rate. Network Aviation PIA - PPRuNe Forums
That is the domain of Fair Work Commission, not CASA, and they can't do anything if they don't know about it.

Lead Balloon 20th Oct 2023 21:00

CASA pretending that commercial parachute operations are private is one of the more blatant, longstanding examples of corruption in the aviation sector.


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