3AW reporting parachuting plane down Barwon Heads 20/10/2023
 

News reporting 2 injured out of 17 onboard.
I can't post links, but someone else might be able to soon.

News heli circling the location. Channel 7 showing some footage.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ef87f3d4ee.png

The Age Now has a photo of the crash site. Buy again, I can't post links or attach a photo.

Flight Radar shows VHUMV appears to have been climbing upwind at 500ft and I guess lost engine. 3000ft per minute descent only gave him 20 odd seconds to respond. Good outcome.

https://7news.com.au/news/vic/small-...ria-c-12263208

It looks like they have only just made it to the land on the northern side of the lake


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b9988c64a0.png

At least there is plenty of grass around there. They did well indeed.. but it must have been a bumpy ride to break the legs off of a Caravan!!

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...20-p5edql.html

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....181136a363.jpg
From The Age article

This thread is useless without the TAF and METAR! :E

That third photo I'm the age, it almost looks like the initial inpact was literally on the bank.of the river. Sure puts a whole new meaning to short field. And no doubt zero seatbelts for passengers. Dou le checked the times on flight radar. Speed loss at 20:57:55, track end 20:58:18. Very quick action required. Probably pilots longest 20 seconds ever.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c580f1d1c.jpeg
From the YBRS refueller.

Fear not we are all saved, the numb nuts reporter is quoting "the Department of Civil Aviation" will investigate the accident. Doh!!!!!

...after being alerted by Airservices' Joint Rescue Coordination Centre.

Wonderful that all survived with seemingly few injuries. Congrats to the pilot. 3000fpm descent?? And as mentioned presumably no seatbelts? Do parachutists think they are Lady Diana?

This a/c had a complete power loss in 2009:
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...ir/ao-2010-005, report says:

"compressor turbine blades that had been installed in the engine during the most recent overhaul were not approved for the PT6A-114"

17 POB? Seems a lot, but what could possibly go wrong?

Presumably no seats...

How do you suggest skydivers may be restrained in keeping with FAR crash requirements?

Seats greatly hamper and present a very real danger to movement within the aircraft.

Once again a demonstration that the aircraft ride is the most dangerous part of skydiving, and not necessarily said tongue in cheek.

The landing gear has literally been torn off by the bank - can't get any closer than that.

Hope everyone is ok, bit sad to see UMV down, probably the most common callsign on MEL CTR with drops out of Barwon Heads or Moorabbin.

That's a good question and I have no idea; I understand they need to get out of the plane. I like to be strapped in firmly. I've never been skydiving but it seems there are no passenger seats in these planes, problematic in a forced landing. As someone who likes to load the aviation dice firmly in my favor, skydiving ops look scary.

You don't need a parachute to go Skydiving.
You do need one to go skydiving twice.

Thought this aircraft had a Garrett not PT6

Since the last thing the pilot wants (in unfortunate cases sadly it's his/her last thing ever) is for the load to shift on takeoff, rest assured the meat bombs certainly ARE all strapped in firmly,
.. but you don't need seats to do that.

Its time CASA scraps the whole skydiving can work under private ops deal, all it does is allow these operators to cut corners and not pay pilots award wages. Having worked for a skydive mob ive seen things that have no place in the aviation industry.

20 SECONDS IN THE AIR

Hmm!

Does the pilot write up his logbook with .1 divided by 12? or just forget it?

R

From memory, they clip themselves to the floor for restraint and C of G issue avoidance.

The jumpers do need to be restrained, but the restraint doesn't comply with the crash requirement protection provided by a seat designed to comply with the FAR. They use generally a single point anchored to the floor, the APF authorise/approve each individual aircraft type system.

https://libraryonline.erau.edu/onlin...ts/AM98-11.pdf

I thought those engines were so mature technically they never fail if maintained properly.

good effort
 

Wow. What's best glide in a caravan and what does that sight picture look like if the prop is still fine?

(Would it feather automatically? Not clear if we're talking partial or full loss of power)


I hear these guys on guys on the radio pretty regularly and they seem super professional and courteous to the mix of traffic.

Wishing those hurt a speedy recovery

Ok thanks

Yes, definitely a Garrett.

DF.

yeah - nah. Spend any time in the skydive world you'll see death and severe injury all the time. Most of it doesn't draw media attention like a downed aircraft does.

Only ever had one injury, make that two, injuries that I'm aware of on our DZ, first jump student broke a leg and I a twisted an ankle on a down wind landing during a spot landing comp.

makes sense - your first post sounded like the usual mental gymnastics jumpers use to rationalise the risk.

Looks like a Honeywell to me from the pictures.

Idiots on Ch9 saying it was a “runway crash”

Are you suggesting that an under-paid pilot caused this aircraft to crash? Or is it due to the maintenance facility that's not doing their job because the company is cutting corners?

Most of us 'oldies' refer to them as Garrett's.... otherwise no one knows what you're talking about!

Okay, so it was a Honeywell - which was originally designed in the 1950s by Garrett.

DF.

Or could he be suggesting the aircraft was grossly overweight, or ran out of fuel or the pilot was fatigued or maintenance issued not reported. Surely none of these things would occur in an Australian parachute operation under the rigorous scrutiny of the Parachute Federation and CASA.

Surely seventeen in a C208 is a tad overloaded though?

DF.

That would depend on the weight of the aircraft. For an aircraft to be “overloaded” it means that MTOW has been exceeded.

There are a lot of seats in a 14 seat 208 and they weigh a lot, so so with seats removed and a low amount of fuel, the world is your oyster for cramming in pax, subject to regulatory limitations on the number of passengers.

Is a pilot more likely to overload an aircraft because they are being paid less?

There are plenty of operators who have CASA approvals ripping off their staff with sham contracting and/or wages well under the award rate. Network Aviation PIA - PPRuNe Forums
That is the domain of Fair Work Commission, not CASA, and they can't do anything if they don't know about it.

CASA pretending that commercial parachute operations are private is one of the more blatant, longstanding examples of corruption in the aviation sector.