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The Daily Telegraph is reporting that CAPS 'failed' to deploy. Are they just stating that it didn't deploy or that something went wrong with the system? Either way, how horrible. RIP <3
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Angus Mitchell seems to be keeping a low profile on this one.
ABC news said the investigation could take up to a few weeks. I'm assuming they meant the on-site part of the investigation. |
Originally Posted by VHOED191006
(Post 11515999)
The Daily Telegraph is reporting that CAPS 'failed' to deploy. Are they just stating that it didn't deploy or that something went wrong with the system? Either way, how horrible. RIP <3
Still think it was sudden pilot incapacitation. What else really could it be. No Mayday at all??My thoughts are with all affected obviously........but especially the parents who lost 3 out of their 5 children, and the daughter, who also lost her own father in the crash |
How does sudden pilot incapacitation result in an aircraft plummeting to the ground?
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Originally Posted by I spy
(Post 11516015)
Yeah, I just read that too.
Still think it was sudden pilot incapacitation. What else really could it be. No Mayday at all?? I am reading many mixed messages. Some say the turbulence was significant in the area. Others are saying they noted lenticular clouds in the area during the morning. Others are saying the wind was quite volatile around that time and shifted dramatically. One media outlet noted it was perfect conditions. Can anyone comment on turbulence they have experienced from the ranges to the West of Lake George? |
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 11516022)
Well we need to know if it was VMC or IMC.
I am reading many mixed messages. Some say the turbulence was significant in the area. Others are saying they noted lenticular clouds in the area during the morning. Others are saying the wind was quite volatile around that time and shifted dramatically. One media outlet noted it was perfect conditions. Can anyone comment on turbulence they have experienced from the ranges to the West of Lake George? Going by the below photo taken the afternoon of the accident, there's blue sky above the cloud base, but I cant pick the bases or tops from behind a keyboard... https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5c4a47b64d.jpg |
If I remember correctly, Canberra's METAR was showing broken at 8000ft.
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Originally Posted by Jenna Talia
(Post 11515370)
Icing?
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Originally Posted by triathlon
(Post 11515850)
I have learnt over the years that the media is not into facts , one report said the kids were his, so I could be correct about being a student pilot
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 11515798)
Perhaps severe icing, stall and spin, tangling the chute and damaging comms antennas.
Please everyone: Don’t feed the beast with speculation about sudden incapacitation and ‘evil thought’, especially when it’s a nonsensical explanation just on the cockpit ergonomics of a Cirrus and what actually happens if you point most any ‘light’ aircraft straight at the ground. It’s an awful enough outcome without the AvMeds of the world milking it before the smoke’s dissipated. The pilot’s medical history and domestic circumstances will be revealed, eventually. |
Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 11516021)
How does sudden pilot incapacitation result in an aircraft plummeting to the ground?
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
(Post 11515819)
Not much wreckage left for the ATSB to investigate. Some accidents can remain a mystery.
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Yes I am a pilot, cncpc. And, nearly four decades in, I'm getting very tired of the mixture of amateurs, accident ghouls, media trolls and - worst of all - self-interested aircraft manufacturers and maintainers who are so keen to blame the pilot for accidents. And pilot incapacitation feeds straight into Avmed's justification.
You, of course, are just a disinterested observer, with no direct or indirect financial interest in Cirrus or BRS, or in Avmed issues, who's just appeared for purely altruistic reasons to nudge pilot incapacitation as the cause. Aren't you. |
Wonder if the kids had packed any lithium-ion battery powered toys? A few hard bumps, inflight cargo fire, fast incapacitation and structural failure.
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Originally Posted by cncpc
(Post 11516064)
More likely pilot incapacitation
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For anyone related to those who've died in this terrible tragedy: Beware. There are many, many people out there whose interests lie in attributing blame for this accident to the pilot alone. Sudden incapacitation or some other event solely attributable to the pilot is a neat way of turning something very, very complex into something very simple, so as to absolve everyone else from any liability.
I've seen this many times before: PPruNers with very few posts over years who magically turn up to run interference on any suggestion that the pilot may not have been the only, or even a, cause of an accident. Naturally you, cncpc, will be happy to explain where you come from in Canada and what you fly. As it turns out, I have some cousins who live over there and a sister who happens to be visiting there for a few weeks. What's your location, so that I can organise a chat? |
He's planned the flight at 10,000 |
And which fact, if true, tells us what?
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 11516106)
And which fact, if true, tells us what?
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How does sudden pilot incapacitation result in an aircraft plummeting to the ground? On the morning of 24 September 2005, a Raytheon Aircraft Company Beechcraft A-36 Bonanza, registered VH-BKM, was being flown by the owner pilot on a private flight from Murwillumbah, NSW, to Coonabarabran, NSW, with one passenger. The pilot had not submitted a flight plan or nominated a SARTIME and there was no requirement to do so. The aircraft was reported to be missing on 28 September 2005 and a search was then commenced. The wreckage of the aircraft was located on 29 September 2005. The aircraft had impacted a heavily timbered hill on a private property 'Millera', located approximately 35 km east of Tenterfield. The aircraft had been destroyed by impact forces and a post-impact fire and both occupants were fatally injured. Witnesses reported clear weather in the vicinity of the accident site. The recorded radar data indicated that the aircraft was maintaining a stable heading and altitude which was consistent with the autopilot having been engaged. The aircraft then descended from a cruising altitude of 6,500 ft above mean sea level (AMSL) to a final recorded altitude of 3,800 ft AMSL, at a rate of approximately 5000 ft/min. The pilot was 71 years old and held both commercial and private pilot licenses for aeroplanes with a valid Class 2 medical. The maintenance records indicated that the aircraft had a valid maintenance release which was issued on 27 January 2005. Weight and balance calculations showed that the aircraft was within centre of gravity limits for the final flight. Discolouration of tree foliage at the accident site and the extent of the post-impact fire indicated that fuel was present when the accident occurred. The accident is consistent with the pilot becoming incapacitated, the aircraft departing controlled flight and subsequently impacting terrain. The possible reasons for any incapacitation could not be determined. |
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