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Originally Posted by pithblot (Post 11445539)

First Principal
FP,
VH-MMA is possibly the -3 that you are thinking of? It was General McArthur’s transport in the Pacific for a time.

Stretching the memory a bit, the Flight Manual of Air Norths DC3s (VH-CAN being the other) had the Rope Start instructions, including rope around the prop done that Mach mentions.

Thanks for the suggestion, however my memory (of admittedly dubious ability!) is pretty sure it was VH-CAN. What I've found on line seems to line up with said memory; if I were to take a further leap I think she (she was always a 'she' to us :) was produced in 1944, and I don't recall any talk about Gen McArthur. The feeling I have is that her Pacific service was carried out without any particular drama, but if anyone had any further information I'd be pleased to hear it.

Otherwise interesting that your manuals showed the rope start around the boss. My recollection is that the prop pitch mechanism was located under that cover, and that it wasn't particularly strong, but it's been a long time since I was up close and personal with one so perhaps it'd stand a rope start with aplomb!

FP.

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Fun fact, the Royal Darwin Hospital has external pitched concrete structures around the building to protect it from snow over load. The building was allegedly designed for Alaska

The Royal Darwin is identical to the Canberra hospital, perhaps the snow feature was to deflect Canberra sourced BS.

Darwin

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0a896f479e.jpg

Canberra

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a427d0816f.jpg

From Captain Reg Adkins' book, "I Flew For MMA":

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Don Anderson and his co-pilot, John Pierce, with John Caesar and Bruce Melrose on the cameras, were a good example. As Don recalls (from November 1956), "We had been at Albany with DC-3 VH-AES for 13 days with no flying, due to cloudy weather. There was one day's flying to finish the Photographic Run and the forecast was such that if we could take off by 0900 the Run could be completed and we could all go home that day. On arrival at the airport, I found the batteries had not enough power to turn the props over, and the cloudy weather was due to return. The crew was thinking of another 14 days on the ground. I had heard of starting an aircraft engine with a rope on the tip of the prop and wound around the boss, the rope then being pulled by a Jeep. But I thought the idea a bit messy and fraught with trouble. So I thought I would get John Pierce to hang on to the tip of the prop, with John Caesar holding on to John Pierce's wrist, and Bruce Melrose holding on to John Caesar's wrist with both his hands, all pulling away from the prop - as they were keen to go home!

I was sitting in the cockpit, and decided to have a Dummy Run with the magnetos off. All went well until the "pull" started. They were pulling the port prop towards the port wing tip at an angle of about 20° forward of the plane of the blade rotation. The pull was executed with such strength and determination that John Pierce hurt his hand holding onto the prop tip and nearly dislocated both shoulder blades. John Caesar also nearly dislocated both his shoulders as Bruce pulled on his wrist with both hands. My crew were not keen to try this method again! So we tied a 20ft length of rope loosely around the tip of the prop, when the blade tip was at eight o'clock and with the magnetos off, the rope pulled the tip through 7, 6, and 5 o'clock to 4 o'clock where the loosely tied rope easily slipped down the blade tip. With the engines primed and prop on compression, all was set to go and I called `Contact' as I switched the mags on. They all pulled the rope hard, the prop swung, and as the rope came off the 4 o'clock position my crew all fell in a heap on the tarmac and to their delight, the engine started.

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Originally Posted by Fris B. Fairing (Post 11445815)

I'm not saying that MacArthur never flew on VH-MMA but the aircraft that was assigned to his GHQ and on which he flew to Canberra to meet with Prime Minister Curtin was later VH-ANR. This DC-3 was soon replaced by a brand new C-47 (not MMA).

Thank you FBF,
I expect you are correct.
I’m dredging the memory of what I recall as the unofficial history of MMA as relayed to me in the crew room back in the 80s.

Megan,
yeah, maybe :)

The ‘snow eaves’ are explained in the link below. Another urban legend bites the dust.

Why are the Darwin and Canberra hospitals identical, complete with 'snow eaves'?

History of MMA here.Now resides in Darwin as property of John Hardy.

VH-MMA Douglas DC-3

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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs (Post 11446173)

From Captain Reg Adkins' book, "I Flew For MMA":

Bloggs,

I hope they wearing hi vis jackets, hearing protection and ASIC's during this venture.

Banjo, None of them around any any more but I'm sure they would have said of our current OHS... "What a load of codswallop!". :}