Not to mention the airports that you can walk to the end of the security fence then then step over a 3 strand wire fence.

Or one other I know where you can reach under the automatic gate with a shifter and undo the bolt holding the electric operating arm.

Or another where a sharp push will overcome the magnetic lock.

The whole thing is a sham and a farce that only serves to create more jobs in Canberra.

Q1. Anyone here with no ASIC ever landed somewhere where one was required? eg, just a quick pitstop or fuel stop, or more. What happened? Did you get bailed up by anyone, and what happened? I've not yet exactly found the info as to precisely who has any power to bail anybody up, and then do what to them? - it all seems very vague.

Q2. Who is genuinely afraid of landing at a secure regional airport with no ASIC? I'm not close enough to any to try it out.

RAAus pilots don't fall under ATSR 6.55 as they don't have a pilot's LICENCE.
and don't come under the requirement for a "security designated authorisation" to operate an aircraft as every CASA licence holder does.
This is a clear double standard and another example of the uneven playing field that RAAus creates.
Of course they need one to access areas where an ASIC is required.

BTW at Jandakot you can apply for an ASIC and do the face to face document verification at Minovation.

I have, never been a problem because I was never hassled. I have seen plenty of others do the same. My best guess is that if you were a polite sort of person, nothing would happen except you may be watched as you refuel and then leave the airport. If you wanted to make a scene, then I am sure you would be kicked off the airport. if you wanted to argue the point about being kicked off, I am sure the police would be called.

Not I said the fly. I have been known to forget mine or leave it in the plane but then I am a polite sort of a guy :O

Clare, while I agree with your sentiment, it is totally irrelevant. Everyone who goes in a secure area at an airport needs an ASIC card including the tarmac terriers. It is counterproductive to aviation to draw a line between the two licence types.

For me; living in a rural area it will be easier to front up to an issuing authority than find a JP. Finding a JP, making an appointment and getting the said JP to actually write what is required has always been an interminable hassle. That said, I detest ASIC cards and the plain stupidity of those that think this is a good idea.

I'm not talking about aerodrome access in this instance.

RAAus pilot certificate is NOT a licence therefore it isn't covered by ATSR 6.55. AVIATION TRANSPORT SECURITY REGULATIONS 2005 - REG 6.55 Exercise of privileges of flight crew licences etc

This law applies to all of Australian territory, not just the aerodromes, that's a separate issue and of course there are thousands of people who work at aerodromes who are not pilots and who have ASICs.

Leaving the aerodrome access issue aside, the point is that if your aircraft is below a certain weight you aren't required to have a security designated authorisation. It IS relevant because it is just another way that GA is made to carry the financial burden while the RA Aus people contribute nothing, because of the semantics that their flying is done on a "certificate" and not a "licence".

There is a new option for Tasmanians. Veritas is a new ASIC issuing body (www.asic.net.au). Veritas has served as an MSIC issuing body for the past 10 years.

In Tasmania, Veritas and its partner Australia Post have an OTS approved process for allowing ASIC applicants to apply online and lodge their applications for ASIC at Australia Post. There are 13 outlets in Tassie where you can lodge these applications. Yes, there is a slightly higher cost for using Australia Post but the new legislation requiring in-person checks and a few other record keeping requirements have contributed to the cost.

Veritas enables approved applicants to obtain "AUS" cards. Approval times are 1-2 weeks on average and will only require your time to complete an online application and make one trip to the post office to lodge.

The Commonwealth has set the legislation...issuing bodies have developed the means to comply.

So, I emailed David Leyonhjelm from the Liberal Democrats Party, and sent him a link to this thread. He was previously unaware of the ASIC issue, and will be looking into it ASAP!

Having followed his party since it started, and a big supporter of them, they jump on these things all the time. Everyone follow it up with an email and maybe we can actually make an improvement to the system.

Interesting, I had no idea that this was the case - but CASA confirms it (well, you need at least an AVID - ASIC is only required for security controlled airports with RPT operations).

From CASA: "At a minimum, all pilots must undergo the background checks for an AVID. Only those pilots who require access to a secure area of a security controlled airport will need to undergo the more robust background checks for an ASIC."

thunderbird five - never done it, but in Canberra if you leave the airside area you have to call airport security to get back in. If you don't have an ASIC (they do ask to see it, and actually confirm that the photo bears a resemblence to the user) then you will not be allowed in.

The trouble with those kinds of questions, T5, is that people who are no risk to security will have to pay the cost of the implications of the answers.

Imagine a hypothetical capital city. Let's call it Arrebnac. The airport at this hypothetical city is security controlled and surrounded by Class C airspace. This gives the pollies and punters who fly in and out of Arrebnac the warm inner glow of security.

Let's also assume there's a hypothetical country town with an airfield near Arrebnac. Let's call that airfield Nrubluog. Nrubluog is neither security controlled nor surrounded by Class C airspace. There are lots and places like Nrubluog in this hypothetical country.

Imagine if anyone could put in a flight plan to fly from Nrubloug to Arrebnac, and that air traffic control would give the aircraft an airways clearance and a clearance to land at Arrebnac, without air traffic control or security personnel at Arrebnac knowing whether the pilot has an ASIC or even a pilot's licence!

Imagine if that pilot could fly that aircraft, full of fuel, right over top of a hypothetical gathering of elected representatives called Tnemailrap House!

Imagine if that pilot could land at Arrenbac without anyone meeting the aircraft on arrival to check that the pilot has an ASIC!

Now I realise that these are completely fantastical hypothetical circumstances that would never happen. And no terrorist would risk being prosecuted for flying into a security controlled airport without a pilot's licence and ASIC - the fines would add up to tens of thousands of dollars.

But can you imagine what the knee jerk response would be if it were true and pollies put pressure on OTS to do something about it? More cost and more inconvenience to people who are no risk to security, with no actual increase in security.

Simple f*kCASA f**kDOTARS. Don't bother with an ASIC what the f**k are they going to do if no one bothers to get one? Keep flying tell em to get stuffed!

:D

Couldn't agree more. Large scale industrial action, anyone? Surely 50-100 GA aircraft converging on Arrenbac when politicians are all wanting to fly back clogging up the airspace and delaying their taxpayer funded burner seats would be an attention getter? Hypothetically speaking?

How many actually have a Birth Certificate they can produce as this is now a mandated requirement under the new rules? A full certificate, not an extract.

Your passport is no longer sufficient.

Wait, you say. I had to produce my BC to get my passport. No matter says Canberra...we know better than to rely on that!

So add another $100 or so to the next renewal and take your passport as your documentary proof of ID to the BDM Registry.

Kaz

There was I thinking that Arrebnac was well secured by Gate 3. Good point though, L.B. as no one checks who leaves. (Or even if they do..)

I reckon that in this hypothetical scenario the bad guys would introduce themselves to the security personnel, on arrival, by flying the aircraft into one of the buildings at the airport. Bad move of course: It's almost certain they'd consequently be found out as having no ASIC.

You might wonder why terrorists would go to all of the trouble of flying a very small aircraft with a tiny amount of fuel to strike a terrorising blow, when a thousand times more damage could be done by simply hijacking a fuel tanker. However, as I said: These are completely fantastical hypothetical circumstances.

Face to face interview with ASIC renewal
 

Seems like we are doubling down on meaningless bureaucracy.

What's the story here - was there a near miss with a very unoriginal terrorist getting an ASIC in the post or is some bureaucrat new to the job and wanting to make their mark!?

The requirement for face to face ID verification with original documents came in on 01 Aug 17. This is the person/s you can thank for that.