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Old 19th May 2016, 21:39
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Streamlined processes for ASIC/AVIC cards

CASA will soon be introducing streamlined processing for Aviation Security Identification Cards (ASICs) and Aviation Identification (AVIDs). As of 23 May 2016 all applications will be processed and issued by CASA’s service provider Aviation ID Australia. The requirements for applying for the cards will not change. All contact regarding ASIC/AVID applications and renewals should be made to Aviation ID Australia by calling 1300 721 241 or via email at: [email protected]. Information on the cards, including the application and renewal process and access to the application forms will remain available through the CASA website, with new forms to be made available as of 23 May 2016. Find out more about ASIC and AVID cards.
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Old 20th May 2016, 01:19
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Thanks Mr F,

'Tis indeed a real pity they didn't make them valid for the same period of validity as an Australian Passport - which has more 'clout', after all.

The 10 Years would be much more 'streamlined'.
Better still, are they really effective at all...??

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Old 20th May 2016, 01:27
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So what is the actual change? Are the mob in Merimbula the only issuer now? I assume that means that RA-Aus won't be processing them too?
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Old 20th May 2016, 02:46
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So what is the actual change? Are the mob in Merimbula the only issuer now? I assume that means that RA-Aus won't be processing them too?
This link shows all the issuing bodies. Some will issue to individuals not directly employed by or associated with their airport or organisation, others will not.

There are some big changes in the pipeline for applying for an ASIC. The main one being that at some stage in the process, you will be required to present in person to verify your ID before the card is issued either to the IB or their nominated agent/s. This will be either to submit the application or collect the card. At the moment, many IBs accept applications by post with documents verified by the usual suspects. A national audit identified a number of flaws in this arrangement and before anyone jumps on their soapbox screaming blue murder, this was argued by industry for the past couple of years but the department is standing firm.
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There is nothing "streamlined" about a 2 year issue, 200 dollar renewal cost
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Old 20th May 2016, 03:49
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By "streamlined" CASA meant they were taking themselves out of the loop. Good job too as they made a complete hash job of it. Many of us will recall the rollout about 10 or so years ago and hundreds of cards in brown envelopes dumped in cleaning cupboards at their offices.

As for the savings? Well the savings will be in not being caught without one. It has been a long standing joke that no one ever checks or there were no consequences for non compliance. Watch this space. Sure you might get away with it for any indeterminable amount of time. But just like always pushing the boundaries on driving rules, one day you will do it in the wrong place at the wrong time and zap! Credit card number please.

There is nothing "streamlined" about a 2 year issue, 200 dollar renewal cost
The term renewal is somewhat misleading. Unlike a driving licence renewal your new card involves the same background checking process each time. Almost half the cost of the card gets gobbled up by Auscheck.
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Old 20th May 2016, 06:12
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I am putting a query on the Private Flying forum to see what they do overseas.
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Old 20th May 2016, 07:16
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G'day fujii, I think I can say without fear of contradiction that Australia is the worse place in the world in terms of its imposition for security on GA. Notwithstanding the UAE where I tried to go for a flight at a school once. Gave that away as a bad joke.
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There are some big changes in the pipeline for applying for an ASIC. The main one being that at some stage in the process, you will be required to present in person to verify your ID before the card is issued either to the IB or their nominated agent/s. This will be either to submit the application or collect the card. At the moment, many IBs accept applications by post with documents verified by the usual suspects. A national audit identified a number of flaws in this arrangement and before anyone jumps on their soapbox screaming blue murder, this was argued by industry for the past couple of years but the department is standing firm.
I can just imagine some poor bigger from the Upper Gascoyne who uses his C150 to muster a few droughty cattle and makes occasional trips to Carnarvon for supplies having to front an IB somewhere sometime to prove he is the person everybody knows he is for a 1000 miles around.

Rediculous!

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Old 20th May 2016, 09:52
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Originally Posted by YPJT View Post
The term renewal is somewhat misleading. Unlike a driving licence renewal your new card involves the same background checking process each time. Almost half the cost of the card gets gobbled up by Auscheck.
Do you know how they do this background check? I just received an Australian Federal Police Certificate which was about 50 dollars. Wouldn't surprise me if Auscheck sent that same information through to AFP as a third party...
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it was a funny and sad day, seeing 3 Blackhwaks turn up at Tamworth, and half the crew being denied access back to the aircraft as they did not have ASIC's....
top secret level military security clearances. not good enough for an asic you get in an envelope after submitting photocopied paperwork..
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Old 20th May 2016, 12:30
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I'm calling bluff on the Blackhawk story! Not all flight crew need an ASIC for starters; you can be accompanied. Not all crew have Top Secret NV2's either :-) a good story for the pilots bar though.
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Old 20th May 2016, 12:34
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Yep call BS on that one. Military in uniform on duty - No ASIC required. Denied access to the SRA maybe. Different thing.
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The system is a bit of a joke. A few years ago I was doing some helicopter test flying at Sydney Airport...I was out on the ramp and the RAAF BBJ taxied past, parked up not 100m away and off trotted the Governor General. I don't have an ASIC, i was out on that ramp for 3 days dressed in mufti and not one person asked me what I was doing there, or challenged me to show an ID.
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i didnt say the crews were wearing their uniforms,m guys in the back when flying blackhawk air dont wear the uniform on all occasions. even so, a defence id with NV1 or 2 is still not acceptable as an ASIC for some stupid reason.
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Just because someone has an ADF ID does not mean they have an "NV 1 or 2" clearance. Nor does it entitle them to wander wherever they like. If they're in mufti, merely producing an ADF ID and asserting a level of clearance (which they wouldn't do, anyway, if they in fact had that level of clearance) isn't some kind of carte blanche.
I can just imagine some poor bigger from the Upper Gascoyne who uses his C150 to muster a few droughty cattle and makes occasional trips to Carnarvon for supplies having to front an IB somewhere sometime to prove he is the person everybody knows he is for a 1000 miles around.
Sounds like the profile of a typical terrorist, Kaz!

Everyone knows ASICs are about providing a facade of security. In politics, perception is fact.
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Old 21st May 2016, 22:18
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Everyone knows ASICs are about providing a facade of security.
And revenue!
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Old 21st May 2016, 22:36
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Originally Posted by Squawk 7700
I'm calling bluff on the Blackhawk story! Not all flight crew need an ASIC for starters; you can be accompanied. Not all crew have Top Secret NV2's either :-) a good story for the pilots bar though.
I'd believe it.


Not Tamworth, but in a previous life, I was training as a Herc loadmaster and we flew into Hobart with apair of J's. The next day, full uniform, all our kit, we were denied access to the two Herc's parked on the tarmac as we didn't have an ASIC, or whatever it was the security muppet wanted to see.


A short walk to the QF gate, a quick explanation and check of our ID's and we were let through with the only comment being "have a great flight, guys" and were wheels up shortly thereafter.
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Old 21st May 2016, 23:56
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Some muppets do get it horribly wrong. There was a regulation change some years back that originally only permitted flight crew airside without an ASIC. Later changed to this:

Despite regulation 3.03, a member of a defence force to whom this regulation applies need not display an ASIC in a secure area if the member:
(a) is on duty and involved:
(i) in the operation of an aircraft; or
(ii) in supporting the operation of an aircraft; and
(b) is in uniform or other role appropriate clothing; and
(c) displays proper identification as a member of a defence force.
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Old 22nd May 2016, 00:25
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That's why anyone with serious destructive intent will:

- buy an ADF uniform or 'role appropriate' kit from a disposal store

- forge an ADF ID (probably unnecessary, as most security people at a civvie aerodromes will not know what a real ADF ID looks like anyway), and

- put on a serious "I'm crew on that Herc" face.

That's assuming they could be bothered, instead of flying in from somewhere else or driving a truck through the fence....
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