And what is a "White ASIC"?......racist bastards :-)

No longer red?


I will take this up with my local member Peter Dutton, I am sure this is helping him keep out illegal immigrants.

But I have also realised as pilots, LAME's and any related industry staff we are screwed. There are probably at the most 100,000 affected people. 80% will be issued via their QF/VA or related employers. The rest of us, get ready for the pineapple. With 1,000,000 gun owners in this country who are equally or more pissed off with BS regulation that achieves zero, and they can't affect change against stupidity, what hope do we have in aviation?

Arizona or Texas is looking better all the time.

If the facade makes the punters feel safe, it's a small price that the bureaucracy is happy for you to pay!

Calm down peoples, $265 for two years is well worth it, considering all the discount coffees we get at the airport terminals.

Eddie

1. If you want good coffee, what are you doing buying it at airports?
2. If you want a discount on your coffee get a Starbucks discount coupon
3. Are you real? Have you figured out how many cups of coffee you need in a year to get your $265 back and for me the real cost is the day of my life I loose arranging all of the document copies, getting them signed by a JPand filling out the inane government forms.

This is a lousy ham fisted expensive to administer system where once again Australia has made more intrusive and more complex than anywhere else in the world with no proper review of the necessity for it.

We are trapped in the Orwellian world of government.

There is a bureaucracy with 'responsibility' for aviation security. There is a bureaucracy that makes money out of police checks. There is a business that makes money out of issuing ASICs.

Somebody has to be their plaything and revenue stream.

I had considered providing a submission to the review of aviation security, but then I realised that if I pointed out the various practical scenarios that demonstrated why the ASIC system is little more than an expensive and easily-avoided facade, the only likely outcome would be further inconvenience and costs to me and other law-abiding citizens rather than the people who are hell-bent on doing harm.

The 2-yearly inconvenience and expense - even under the new system - pales into insignificance compared with what we'd pay if it weren't a facade.

When I want good coffee I definitely do not go to Starfvcks.
As always, you missed the satire.

I can see the point from an aerodrome security point of view, but insisting on security checks for GA pilots is just another double standard, seeing as RA-Aus people don't have to have any kind of security check.

I think this is what should be focussed on rather than ranting about the cost etc, so talk to your local Senator about Section 6.55 of the Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005 as this is to do with OTS not CASA.

you mean sarcasm?

The trouble is there are people who genuinely think that the discounts you get are an advantage.

I hope everyone who post here also sent a quick email to their local member.

Members ? Parliament of Australia

Venting on PPRUNE wont change anything. Emailing you local member may not either but it might just help when one of the aviation bodies are trying to get a meeting in the future.

That doesn't work. These arrangements are keeping our local members 'safe'. The only way we can convince them otherwise is to point out why it's just a facade. But that's likely to merely prompt them to demand that OTS impose even more inconvenient and costly demands on us.

Where did you get this from?
They need an ASIC like everyone else

My ASIC got me 15% off an iPhone at SY.

What?? :sad:

Do RA-Aus people have to get an AVID?

No. They need no form of security pass unless they want to land at a security controlled airport, and then they need an ASIC.

Therefore Clare Prop made a valid point.

Given the recent history of terrorism in Australia, making an ASIC mandatory for ordering coffee should make the place safer!
Less important for pilots at airports...

But you missed the point made by Clare: A "CASA" pilot must have at least an AVID, and getting one entails a security check.

However, I agree completely with your first point.

So do I have it right?


A few weeks to run and this new set of rules come into place.


In Victoria there appears to be only one location where you have to front to confirm your face and paperwork ?


This is a disaster for flying. What about the guys in the country? Do they have to spend bulk dollars getting to and from that location?


This is really going to be a huge negative for people wanting to get into flying.
More security barriers and work that does not appear to do anything real. If the bad guys want to get into an airport are they really going to get an ASIC?
A pair of wire cutters will be the cheap option.

AviationID have assured me there will be someone at Moorabbin to do the checks. No idea re other locations. But maybe worth calling them.