Originally Posted by Outtahere
(Post 10331946)
Two pilots on board, one under training/ supervision at the time.
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Originally Posted by Desert Flower
(Post 10331994)
If you're referring to the YPOD incident yes - but was it right for the PIC to blame him for not dangling the Dunlops?
DF. |
Curious , is it a requirement for something the size of a king air operated by a single pilot to have and use checklists ? Would the checklist be a CASA requirement or a company one ? Do B200 have CVR ? |
King Airs leave the factory with a comprehensive checklist. CASA is quite anal about approving checklists for commercial operators. To hold an AOC the operations manual will state that checklists must be used, but of course is no guarantee that they will be used. The whole subject of overly prescriptive checklists has been flogged to death in Pprune. The more prescriptive they are, the less effective they seem to be. No CVR required for B200 in charter, though some may have. One can imagine any recording in this incident would be transcribed in the accident report as ‘expletive deleted’. |
Mach E Avelli - I reckon you might be right there.
The person operating the "beep" button might be earning their money on that recording.... |
Too low - Gear ? |
I have to wonder if he had pax, & if so why hasn't someone said something. Or was he there to pick up pax - same thing. If neither, why was he there?
DF. |
Lack of cockpit discipline will bite you hard. I frequently play this clip to new players.
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DF - nine POB our mutual source says. |
Toruk Macto the ‘too low gear’ warning requires kit unlikely to be fitted to an older King Air. However if full flap is selected and the gear is not down, the warning horn will make quite a racket and a bloody huge red light illuminates in the gear handle. Although it is an old design with a few ‘gotchas’ in the cockpit, as far as the gear system is concerned, Beech did their best to pilot proof it. But it appears from the lack of visible damage that the flaps were not in the landing position either. |
Originally Posted by On eyre
(Post 10333225)
DF - nine POB our mutual source says. DF. |
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...r/ao-2018-080/The ATSB is investigating a hard landing and ground strike involving a Beech Aircraft Corporation B200, registered VH-ODI, operated by Desert-Air Safaris, at Mount Gambier Airport, South Australia, on 8 December 2018. |
There you go DF - excuse me for a moment but I think a flock of pigs just flew by. |
The ATSB report says it was Charter, if there were 9 POB I’m surprised that nothing else has appeared on social media or in the press. Hell of a good job in either case getting it back on the ground without killing or injuring anyone. |
Which landing was hard? The first one that bent the props, or the second one.... without props? |
Capt Fathom - the first was the hard landing sans wheels down - refer my post #34. I would surmise that no landing in a B200 could be hard enough to compress oleos sufficiently to allow a prop strike without breaking the back of the aircraft and the backs of all on board. |
On Eyre you are absolutely right. Even with totally flat oleos the props would not touch the ground. The post accident pic indicates oleo extension is about normal. It surely won’t be hard for the ATSB to work that out. Aviating pork indeed. |
On eyre, I was aware of that. My humour was too subtle obviously! :rolleyes: |
Capt I apologise I missed that. Must cut back on Shiraz ration |
Must cut back on Shiraz ration ��
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