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Xeptu; I assume that your post was not directed at me, but at Leady.
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yes pinky you would be correct and anyone else that understands the purpose
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I'm with Xeptu 100%. Pilot had never been in a Kingair sim, and was quoted as saying he didn't need to. First full on failure happened in the aircraft. Unsat
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Originally Posted by Trevor the lover
(Post 10060800)
Pilot had never been in a Kingair sim, and was quoted as saying he didn't need to. First full on failure happened in the aircraft.
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.... and what was that failure: A Crew Seat Malfunction. The aircraft was airborne for 9 seconds, the takeoff roll was about 15 seconds from a rolling start and appears to be mostly limited to no control right from the start. Without seat rail stops those crew seats can roll back a long way. The most likely culprit is that the crew seat collapsed and was too low or the locking mechanism failed and rolled back too far for effective control.
This statement is pure speculation, but fits the sequence of events |
So he hit full power and the seat went back and for the next 15 + 9 seconds he was trying to reach the controls and the pedals, the aircraft took off, gear still down, nobody flying and yet he could happily reach the PTT to give a 5 second mayday?
Somewhat fanciful. Surely you would pull power immediately in said scenario? |
The entire event is somewhat fanciful, but it happened. Surely you would do a lot of things if you could. Not much point pulling power levers once airborne, if he ever did get within reach distance.
I'm not saying this is what happened, it's merely a plausible explanation. |
It's not all that plausible to be honest. Hitting runway lights and continuing to takeoff smells to me more like someone IN control versus out of control, under an assumption that hitting the lights may not have been noticed by the pilot which is plausible. The deviation could be for any number of reasons which the pilot then believed were not significant enough to have aborted.
You could keep guessing all day and still be way off.... |
Originally Posted by Trevor the lover
(Post 10060800)
Pilot had never been in a Kingair sim, and was quoted as saying he didn't need to.
DF. |
Literally heaps of it, and the sim is very busy.
Don’t know why anyone would want to fly something like a King Air without doing any sim training, even if it is legal. It’s not really a “simple” aeroplane. |
Xeptu, as Stick said, if he could reach the PTT, he could reach the controls, your idea doesn't hold water.
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There was a runway excursion to the left, having entered from the right on a 45 metre wide runway in this class of aircraft is eyebrow raising in itself, there were at least two propeller strikes, (two runway lights down 60 metres apart), yet the takeoff was continued. Upon becoming airborne there was no attempt to fly the aircraft, the gear was not retracted, the engine was not shutdown and the propeller was not feathered. The pilot transmitted mayday for 5 of the 9 seconds of airborne time. so the questions remain, why, why and why |
.... and what was that failure: A Crew Seat Malfunction. The aircraft was airborne for 9 seconds, the takeoff roll was about 15 seconds from a rolling start |
There has been a building on that location at Essendon since at least 1962 when the old DCA hangar was relocated there to serve as home for the Regional Transport Depot. There are a number of lawyers looking at this in detail at the moment with a fistfull of FOI requests. I suspect the ATSB initiating separate report on their own initiative suggests that there is a real issue. |
Presumably the transmission would have been in the last 9 seconds, I have a PTT on the boom of my headset, there are a number of other locations one can use other than the control column. I concede though I would be fighting to release myself from the seat, rather than transmitting, "unless" it's all over and you know it. there are a number of live examples of that. "oh here we go" and "I love you mum" are two I remember.
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The buildings were there when I worked at Essendon in the late 60s and again in the early 90s.
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Originally Posted by Old Akro
(Post 10061049)
Don't think so. And don't forget that the end of the runway is nowhere near where it used to be.
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If there was a galley fitted behind the captains seat the seat couldn’t roll back very far
I’d say the majority of Aus KA drivers haven’t been in a sim but fortunately that’s changing |
Originally Posted by holdingagain
(Post 10061166)
If there was a galley fitted behind the captains seat the seat couldn’t roll back very far
I’d say the majority of Aus KA drivers haven’t been in a sim but fortunately that’s changing Anyway, whilst "possible" I'd put the seat move in a very unlikely category. |
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