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The name is Porter 21st Feb 2017 01:03


Hopefully the coroner will include in his investigations the wisdom and appropriateness of retail and similar commercial developments occurring at each of the secondary airports and around Australia, and even the housing developments that encroach on so many regionals as well.
I doubt it Kaz, what is more likely to happen is that airports in the middle of built up areas (despite the airport being there first) will be criticised and calls for it to be closed down.

Another Number 21st Feb 2017 01:13


I doubt it Kaz, what is more likely to happen is that airports in the middle of built up areas (despite the airport being there first) will be criticised and calls for it to be closed down.
Exactly - the "Australian way" ... crooked pollies funded by dodgy developers allow the developments to encroach, bit by bit, until the airport is dead.

Desert Flower 21st Feb 2017 01:14

I can remember one of the Army BE20 drivers from Qld telling me years ago that he had an EFATO in one, & if it wasn't for all the bells & whistles going off he would have hardly known as the aircraft was still climbing out as per usual. Very reliable aircraft, the BE20. I'll be very interested to find out the cause of this crash, but my guess is it's going to take a while.

DF.

compressor stall 21st Feb 2017 01:24

DF - I bet that EFATO was above the TOSS on a nice big runway, along with some false modesty. Not all are so (un)lucky.

Without enough airspeed to go, putting it down again is the only option. That might have sent him off the end into the peak hour traffic.

FGD135 21st Feb 2017 01:26

Serial number BB-1544, so we know this was a B200, as opposed to a straight 200.

B200's, I believe, all have autofeather installed as standard.

Anyone can confirm that this machine had operative autofeather?

logansi 21st Feb 2017 01:27

Strange ownership things going on here listed as operated by "AUSTRALIAN CORPORATE JET CENTRES PTY. LTD." yet according to the Herald Sun they were not involved and it was instead operated by Corporate and Leisure Travel. Also apparently MYjet is the owner of the aircraft - bit of a mess.

No Cookies | Herald Sun

Also quote for HS


Brenton Skinn, operations manager of Short Stop Jet Charter said the pilot is in his 60s and believed to be a very experienced and freelance known by most charter services at Essendon and works for multiple charter companies.

“[The pilot] is a great guy. It’s a very sad day, he’s been working from Essendon a very long time,” he said.

“He’s married with a couple of kids I think.’’

Car RAMROD 21st Feb 2017 01:34

FGD, based on the photos it had Hartzell 4-Bladers. AFX is a mandatory equipment. Whether it was operational or not is something that will hopefully be determined.

Stephen Quatermain's (10 news) twit feed has what looks like a still shot from a dash cam not long before impact, the aircraft looks quite level in it and no severe pitch or bank at the time.
Is it a legitimate pic? Who knows.

Mish A 21st Feb 2017 01:44

CR, I haven't been into Essendon since 2012, but it looks like that dash cam photo is showing an aircraft on late final for 35.

YouKnow.Whatever 21st Feb 2017 01:45

Maybe so Ramrod, but if that dashcam pic is looking NNW along Bulla Rd the aircraft has already turned left roughly 90 degrees. Maybe he had levelled the wings in the first stages of a recovery, but alas.

Eclan 21st Feb 2017 01:46


Nose wheel is on the freeway. Seems like the wheels were probably still down.
The aircraft appears to have been completely destroyed. No doubt many components previously inside the airframe are now outside. Deducing from a wheel on a road that the landing gear was extended at the time of impact defies all common sense. Maybe the gear was extended, maybe it wasn't but the usual garbage is emerging in record time on prune.

continueapproach737 21st Feb 2017 01:49

as someone who was actually there...

Kingair had 5 POB with return fuel and golf clubs, well under weight.

Left engine failure, however aircraft hasnt rolled, merely yawed, now seen the dash cam footage of a vehicle driving on the freeway, kingair was horizontal when she when down

flopzone 21st Feb 2017 01:59

This video is about 15 minutes of the roof damge. Looks as though left wing hit, prop not turning, pancaked and spun 180 or so down and through the roof, backwards but level crashed through the construction barrier almost level and intact. Before the fire got to it, it was pretty much all there not scattered all over the place.
https://www.facebook.com/9NewsMelbou...2179800045673/

Desert Flower 21st Feb 2017 02:04


Originally Posted by compressor stall (Post 9682713)
DF - I bet that EFATO was above the TOSS on a nice big runway, along with some false modesty. Not all are so (un)lucky.

Without enough airspeed to go, putting it down again is the only option. That might have sent him off the end into the peak hour traffic.

He probably did have more runway to play with. He did also mention that there was a bum in every seat & full fuel.
I'm not questioning the why's & wherefores of what happened today. It's a very tragic situation, & let's face it - it could have been worse.

DF.

Old Fella 21st Feb 2017 02:04

Mention has been made of a similar accident at Mascot in 1980 involving A KingAir 200.
That aircraft was overweight and operating in very different conditions. (QNH 997 millibars and OAT of 39 degrees C). As mentioned it was also believed to have been using a reduced power setting for take-off which effectively reduced engine performance by more than 20%.

Toruk Macto 21st Feb 2017 02:08

What happens with a B200 eng / prop if it over torques ? Will it auto feather or you still have to shut it down with manual / auto feather system ?

RIP to those involved and thoughts going out to family and friends

Bull at a Gate 21st Feb 2017 02:15

To add to what OF just wrote - and the pilot turned left rather than maintaining runway heading, did not arm the auto feather (company policy was that it not be armed) and used a hand held mike rather than a boom mike.

desmotronic 21st Feb 2017 02:17

why would company policy be not to arm autofeather?

Just a Grunt 21st Feb 2017 02:18

There was an incident involving a C90 in Toowoomba in 2001 that potentially has some similarities to this event. Engine failure on takeoff, unfeathered prop, 20 second flight ended in an industrial estate off the end of Rwy 29. Report is here, update here. Inquest findings here.

A320 Flyer 21st Feb 2017 02:22

Max I've heard

UnderneathTheRadar 21st Feb 2017 02:23


Originally Posted by TULSAMI (Post 9682752)
was the PIC GM?

No. There are enough clues in the media coverage to figure it out


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