JetGo Australia????
 

From the AFAP job section.

CAPTAIN & FIRST OFFICERS

JetGo Australia will be commencing flight operations in Q1 2012 on contract and charter operations across Australia.
In addition to the crews already selected we are currently seeking to recruit Captains & First Officers with the following minimum experience.

Requirements are:

3000 hours Total Time
2000 hours PIC
1500 hours Multi Engine PIC
Extensive Jet Experience
Crews with previous EMB-135/145 along with the above minimums will be given preference.
The position is full time and offers above award wages & conditions, south east Queensland based.

Anyone heard of them?

Home - JetGo Australia

From JetGo International Pty. Ltd.: Private Company Information - BusinessWeek
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That hotmail address gives you a sense of confidence :rolleyes:

Thought I'd heard his name before, Fitzroy Aviation.

At last a jet command in SEQ...
Sounds good to me.....

I smell a rat...If it is who I think it is, then he really needs to have the butterfly net sent after him!

Fuel-Off :ok:

For someone who hasn't been around as long as you guys, could you elaborate on how this might be related to Fitzroy.


Fuel Off would you care to elaborate to me on PM I was thinking off throwing my hat in the ring.

Could be a little bit of risk out there Alliance and Skytrans are doing a good job in this sector.

No rats to be smelled here, folks.

It is a fair dinkum ad for a fair dinkum job.

If you wanna fly a jet, and be based in SE QLD, stop throwing rocks and send in your resume.
You will be pleasantly surprised. No connections to shonky people, no "phishing", nothing underhanded.

Sadly, too many people are jaded by past experience and are unable to accept a fair dinkum start-up company.:ok:

Time will tell

All the Aeropelican pilots are telling me it's tied up with their owners, Business Air Holdings.

One of them fronted the MD about it and he denied it... :hmm:

If you want EMB145 pilots I know where you can find a heap. And the airframes to go with.

Should be a heap parked up by the end of the month.

I'll bite, where?

Link to photo's of their first aircraft;

http://southeastqldaviation.********.com

These guys have a great plan and contracts ready. they will give the big guys a bit of a shake. I have found them up front and prepared. Very good to deal with.;)

Good Luck

BPA i cant open the link any other ideas to open.

Try searching for southeast QLD aviation.

Let Go Australia more like it
 

"Pending CASA approval we anticipate flight operations to commence in Q1 2012"

"All flight operations by JetGo Australia comply with industry BARS audit policy"

Pretty hard to do the latter when you haven't got the former......dear ...dear ....dear

I assure you that they will not be operating under their own HC AOC in Q1 of this year CASA dont move that quick. Neither to aircraft apparently sitting in a hanger half way across the world.

Perhaps they should use some of their spare time while they wait for casa improving their crap website - jet comfort at turboprop economies:suspect:
Or pondering why an e145 style aircraft has never been successfully operated in oz...

Grr,

You have made a really good statement and asked a very fair question concerning the limited success of 50 seat RJ's.

The CRJ 100,200 and EMB 145, 140 and 135 had huge sales success in the 1990's due to the very cheap price of avtur at that time, coupled with a few nasty turboprop incidents including the terrible ATR fatal accident at Roselawn Indiana, which, with the aid of clever RJ marketing caused american passengers in particular to shy away from RPT turboprops for the next few years. Since then the regional aircraft market has adjusted accordingly.

As the price of avtur exponentially increased and particularly post 9/11, airline accountants retired their 50 seat RJ's in favour of similarly sized turbos and larger 70 to 90 seat RJ's in order to make, rather than lose money.

Unlike RPT, FIFO operations are essentially 'closed charters', where the customer hires the entire aircraft regardless of the number of passengers carried.

I think the challenge for JetGo will be to secure RJ airframe lease rates that are cheap enough to offset the very high fuel burn (compared with the same sized turboprop) and secure continuing FIFO work that sits in the 400 to 600 nautical mile 'sweet spot'. Over this distance the 50 seat RJ costs can become competitive with the turpoprop (depending on finance arrangements, etc), due to the shorter sector cycle time afforded by the jet. I am also assuming here, that JetGo will pay at least market rates for their skilled labour force (pilots and engineers particularly).

Over distances shorter than 400 nautical miles, however, any jet loses the price/time advantage over a turbo and over distances longer than 600 nautical miles larger RJ's, such as the Fokker 70LR's recently acquired by Alliance, gain the pricing advantage when it comes to quoting for the job.

Although the passenger ride quality may be better above the weather in an RJ rather than through the weather in a turboprop, FIFO management accountants will always focus on the price cost/benefits of service due to the high frequency of FIFO crew change cycles. Any 'ride quality' improvements afforded by jet operations probably wouldn't be gven too much consideration by a mining company on short sector operations of less than 400 nautical miles, unless the job quote was comparable with turboprop prices.

Although Embraer made over 800 airframes in the EMB 145,140,135 RJ series and many of these are 'mothballed' around the world, lessors drive hard bargains on lease prices in order to sustain the residual values of their investment stock and I don't think JetGo will find too many real airframe 'bargains'. They might negotiate a spares package, simulator time and an initial deferral of some lease rental payments to get to start up, but in order to competitively 'buy' business other operators have historically traded at a consistent loss during the start up period and ultimately become insolvent when the inevitable full lease rental agreement start to 'bite'. The most recent high profile failure in this regard was Sky Air World.

So despite JetGo's website advertising "Jet Comfort at Turboprop Economies" and assuming as a speculative business, they don't have the millions in excess cash to buy their airframes and thus save all leasing costs, I doubt JetGo's ability to otherwise deliver on their advertising slogan.

However, as stated in the chinese proverb "be careful of what you wish for........"

The Oracle

Considering that a dry lease of a EMB-145 at around US$65k a month and an hourly maintenance fee of around US$400 they would have to find some lucrative contracts!

For that price you could easily get a ATR42 / FK100 / BAe 146

Web site states that they "comply" with BARS
As against "we are BARS accredited" - BIG difference
They do not get a mention on the BARS website

Looks to me that the leopard hasn't changed it's spots

Southeast Queensland Aviation's ******** is now showing some photos of an EMB 135 being prepared in the U.S. and reported as destined for JetGo.

In the EMB 145 RJ series the 135 has the worst economics of the lot due to 13 fewer seats than the 145. This will be a very interesting experiment.

The Oracle

http://southeastqldaviation.********...australia.html

Hi all,

If you can't get The Oracle's link, or BPA's earlier identical link, to work, try inserting the following letters for the asterisks.
1/ b
2/ l
3/ o
4/ g
5/ s
6/ p
7/ o
8/ t, apparently that word is not allowed on Pprune.

megle2,

I had a look at the FSI BARS website after your 2nd post on this thread; could you provide the list of approved aviation companies? The only companies that I can find on the website are the mining companies that use the system and the approved audit companies; I'd be interested in a list of the approved companies, as I can't find a list of BARS approved companies.

The Caveman

Wow an all white unmarked aircraft with an unknown rego in a hanger on the other side of the globe. Yep must be theirs.

BARS
 

My point is that in order to comply with BARS or be BARS accredited you need to have an AOC and all the trappings that go with it. The most basic requirement is regulatory approval and they don't have that.

BARS
 

I think you are missing the point, I know for a fact they are having a SMS written system which complies with the BARS audit. Its not a CASA requirement, its a requirement that most of the resource sector are asking of their suppliers and vendors in the interest of safety. 'Jetgo are simply implementing a SMS system into their operation early which makes perfect sense for any new operator as they have a clear slate and a system to follow from the beginning. Like Ascend Charlie say's, These guys are doing it all right from the start. They aren't required to have a SMS system but they are choosing to do it and i can tell you from experience, it isn't cheap.. I can also tell you this company is real and by all intents will be operational in the next few months! They have crew at FSI , and have crossed most of the "T'S.... I know of several operators have been turned away from clients because of non BARS compliance... It wont be long before its 'standard' to have these in place....Expensive for the operator at $20K a year but, good for people such as myself that are in the SMS industry!:ok:

I think you are missing the point though. According to the other post, you need CASA approval before you can even get a BARS Audit.

**** reply, none of that made sense.

morno

I'm impressed (not)
 

You don't have to be a clairvoyant to see that an SMS will be required for all passenger carrying operations and smartest time to integrate an SMS into your organisation is while you build the organisation, you don't have to be a business genius to figure that out.
It does surprise me that they will be forking out $20K/year for what should be integrated from the start.
Is that what you are charging them for your product? Your last sentence really does point to your where your allegiance lies.
"Expensive for the operator at $20K a year but, good for people such as myself that are in the SMS industry!"
If they are your customer I would love to see the reaction on the CFO's face when he reads your post. Spruking about your little financial windfall won't see much return business. By the sound of it you haven't been in the SMS industry very long and probably won't be about much longer.

An SMS is only a small part of BARS and thus won't be the saviour to promptly gain accreditation

You had better rethink your priorities

Note : The list of BARS accredited fixed wing operators is quite limited at this stage when you take out the big guns ie Q QL J V ect

BARS Folly
 

Who cares. BARS is NOT the standard. SMS has to comply with the requirements outlined in 82.3 and 82.5. ICAO mandated SMS and CASA as the 'state' has implemented a set of rules and regs under SMS. BARS is merely a 'tool' that the resource sector get a chubby over as they think BARS is the solution to all things safety, which is absolute bollocks.
If their SMS is based solely on BARS then you can expect CASA to 'snicker in the corner and hold back the laughter' when they reveiw your SMS. BARS is a product marketed and created by some clever Consultants who are making big dollars flogging it as 'the pinacle of aviation safety' to the resource sector whose primary business is just that - resources, not aviation! I have assisted two organisations implement SMS and each of those organisations has a stronger SMS that far outweighs BARS. Also those two organisations receive regular scheduled CASA AOC audits and HART Aviation audits as well as numerous other external audits, and neither need BARS to make them safer or of a higher standard.

Which is not a requirement - BARS or SMS? Just want to clarify that point.

Oh dear. Not required to have an SMS you say? Obviosuly they aren't a HICAP or LOCAP operator because if they are then you are in deep sh#t as it is a requiremnt under 82.3 and 82.5 for them to have an SMS. The red flag is already at half mast on this mob!!

20k you reckon? Some consultant is bleeding you dry my friend. If you understood the principles and elements of a SMS you would realise it will not cost you a massive amount of the green stuff.
SMS is not an 'add on' to your company's safety structure, it is interwoven and the foundation of your safety structure, it is a living, breathing process, not some manual or 'add on'.

If you have been hoodwinked into setting up your company structure based upon BARS then you are doomed. Google ICAO and CASA as a starting point for SMS information as you obviously need some assistance. Otherwise I can set it up for you for 10k and still be home for dinner!!

Jet Go Australia- promising Operator
 

Had a look at their website and it is full of promise. No aircraft, No Pilots, No AOC, everything is promised.

Promising
 

And apparently Flying-Spike has no idea. So why be so negative and down on a company that's going to employ people in our own aviation industry. Get your facts straight, there are people working all over the east and west coast on the JGA project with manuals, maintenance approvals etc etc. And pilots, so far Flight Safety have trained 4 crew for JGA. Yeah they don't have it now, but they will. And i bet your one of the first to put in a resume.... :=

A dare?
 

Do you want to put some of your $20k on that? Or will it be an IOU?
My money would be on Jet Gone within 2 years.

JetWhere??
 

I too looked at the Website, it was about as in-depth as their SMS !!

A BAR too high?
 

4 pilots already trained and BARS compliant. What does BARS say about experience on type?

BARRING Up
 

Wow! Did some underground coal miners train the pilots? Perhaps there is a specially built BARS SIM?
Perhaps 'BARS is the new black' ?

The founder's Linkedin profile says it all
 

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