PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions (https://www.pprune.org/pacific-general-aviation-questions-91/)
-   -   Tim Holding Mountain Rescue (https://www.pprune.org/pacific-general-aviation-questions/387244-tim-holding-mountain-rescue.html)

SeldomFixit 2nd Sep 2009 02:16

Has this sort of caper ever been used by a political party before to bring the next Premier to the public's consciousness ?:confused:

Buster Hyman 2nd Sep 2009 02:25

Interesting point Seldom...He has long been considered the State ALP's Golden Child...;)

AnyGivenSunday99 2nd Sep 2009 02:38

My new line to nervous pax - "you've got more chance getting hurt on a bushwalk with Tim Holding":}

tmpffisch 2nd Sep 2009 03:05

AFP have publically confirmed their aircraft was used in the search

AFP admits its aircraft was used in Tim Holding search | Herald Sun

VH-XXX 2nd Sep 2009 03:12


I was going to say something insightful until I realised that it would be better for our troops in Afghanistan to let this topic die...
Sunfish, you really crack me up!

How long would a C208, BN or PN68 last in Afghanistan ??? :ugh:

flyingfox 2nd Sep 2009 03:22

What about a mil drone?

VH-XXX 2nd Sep 2009 04:20


What about a mil drone?
They often fly high, are made from special materials and unmanned, hence the less risky nature. The PN68 etc are 1960's thought technology. That being said the PN68 or similar even at 10,000ft would be a great machine in Australia for what it would be used for, you'd have no idea it was there, particularly around a CBD.

Minimbah 2nd Sep 2009 07:26

From the AFP web page
 
AFP Assistance to Victoria Police operation

Wednesday, 02 September 2009
The AFP can confirm the provision of some support to the Victorian Police to assist in the search for Mr Tim Holding.
The AFP routinely lease aircraft to support operational activity across the country and provided aerial support in this matter.
This capability has been utilised previously in a search capacity.
When certain operational assets are engaged, the AFP is constrained in the public comments they can make in relation to their use and deployment.
No further comment will be made in relation to the deployment of any operational assets of the AFP.
Media enquiries:
AFP Media (Canberra): (02) 6275 7100

Howard Hughes 2nd Sep 2009 08:01

I cant believe that we have anything that is 'TOP SECRET'...:E

PS: Where would one apply for these top secret missions?

VH-XXX 2nd Sep 2009 08:32

The AFP never comment on security matters, it's just the standard company line.

Eg. John Howard wore a bullet-proof vest to a gun rally in Sale, East Vic. Whilst it was blatantly obvious that he wore it, they refused to comment as it was a "matter of national security."

The mere fact that the AFP may own or operate an aircraft that is even remotely to do with security means that they are legally bound to not comment. The fact that they won't comment on it doesn't make it "Top Secret," it could be a 172 for all we know and you would still get the same company line.

HH says:

PS: Where would one apply for these top secret missions?
Jobs@AFP - AFP Sorry HH, there doesn't seem to be any secret squirrel spy pilot positions open at the moment.


The AFP Graduate program for 2010 will commence in March 2010 for a 12 month period. The AFP’s Graduate Program is targeted to meeting the requirements of business areas that have identified the benefits and value of employing a Graduate both in terms of delivering outputs and a commitment to developing the graduate’s skills in the longer term. The following areas will be seeking to place a graduate for the 2010 program:
  • Aviation;
  • Border and International;
  • Finance;
  • High Tech Crime;
  • Information and Communications Technology Group (ICTG);
  • International Deployment Group (IDG); and
  • Policy and Future Strategies.
Aviation

AFP Aviation provides a policing presence at Australia’s 11 major airports and is supported by staff in AFP Headquarters. The Aviation function is seeing a graduate to assist in the provision and preparation of: policy advice, ministerial responses and brief preparation, memorandum of understanding with stakeholder agencies, analysis and reporting against performance information and project work as required. A graduate commencing with the Aviation function would be exposed to challenging work and transition through several business units to enhance skills and develop a broad appreciation of the strategic work environment.

OZBUSDRIVER 2nd Sep 2009 08:35

Actually,,,It was Premier Brumby that bolted with the news that a light had been seen and the police now had a position of a possible campsite. That was the evening before the rescue

Wallsofchina 2nd Sep 2009 08:38

So, it was before the light was seen then?

OZBUSDRIVER 2nd Sep 2009 08:47

Ahhhhh yes..I have been caught by the news cycle...Premier Brumby must have let it slip that morning...Holding's partner had the information to ask the police spokesman about the aircraft at the conference...the one that was cut short....oh nuts...anyway someone must have let it slip out because it sounded like a race to the site to find the guy.

soseg 2nd Sep 2009 09:10


The "discovery" of him this morning (ie confirmed sighting him) is variously claimed by several media outlets.
yeah... but but but... channel 9 had nice little signs all over their news screen when reporting the story "CH9 exclusive" and bragging how their chopper pilot (even interviewing him) spotted tim...

surely you're not suggesting channel 9 lied to me?!?? :oh::oh::oh:

VH-XXX 2nd Sep 2009 12:36

Maybe?


http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/flir1.jpg

Deaf 2nd Sep 2009 22:27

Todays Age


Having survived an uncontrolled 200 metre slide from just below the summit of Mount Feathertop, the State Government minister could have accepted an offer of help from three walkers to hike back to the spur trail.

Instead, he headed down the mountain to the snow line, hoping to walk across the slope and find his way back.
If he was an experienced walker and had a map etc thats a bit of a non-starter - more so if he knew the area.

Have to get your face in the media.

compressor stall 3rd Sep 2009 00:51

Never mind that extremely poor decision (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that it was due to his not being sound mind after his fall, not incompetence ) - what the hell was he doing on the summit of Mt Feathertop in icy winter conditions without an iceaxe?

He might have been an experienced bush walker but he was not equipped nor experienced for adventure above the snow line. He did NOT have the right gear (and I am not talking about an epirb) despite what the police said.

I've been skiing and/or ice climbing in just about every gully on Feathertop in winter for 17 years - and used to run courses in winter ice climbing and snowcraft there. I've never taken an EPIRB to date but I will never leave Fed or MUMC hut without an iceaxe if I am heading towards the summit.

Still good on him for having a go and getting out there. As us pilots know, we all start somewhere and sometimes experience comes through mistakes brought on by ignorance.

Buster Hyman 3rd Sep 2009 02:01

And where were his Sherpa's??? :=

Wallsofchina 3rd Sep 2009 02:03

In the Spy plane

Flyingblind 3rd Sep 2009 03:16

Dones best AFP voice......"Er what spy plane"?


All times are GMT. The time now is 17:22.


Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.