Fine to keep your stance, the division will just grow. Just about every other union has fees as a percentage of income. There are a lot of QCCAer's I have dealt with who have expressed this opinion, and the simple fact is they will feel ripped off and will not join, rightly or wrongly.

I don't want to have to pay extra, but what is the cost of a divided and fragmented group, even more so than what it is?

My other mail is New York is also on the radar with the fuel review. Add this to SFO, FRA and the end possibly of Japan, and there will be surplus QF Long Haul crew. All the QCCA crew will be absorbed by the 380. They are safe. The percentage of existing Long Haul crew will diminish by the month shortly.

Division is playing right into the companies hand. Why do you think they offered us what we should have seen as a fantastic EBA deal?

The plan is a simple one..the company was in the process of slowly closing the LongHaul Division. Qcca has stopped that.

Any QCCA crew that feel like they have been cheated should leave RIGHT NOW

I've just heard that dixon has said he reckons he will go by next march.
Sounds lke a good idea for a party to me.

Pegasus, good to see you haven't changed.

my dear friend
 

i believe GD is leaving after the olympics. time will tell.:ok:
as for the ongoing debate of union fees. when i was a junior and got sh** trips back to back i earned a lot less money then the majority of collegues. i still had to pay the same fees. no perfect solution:{

hey i am sorry if i am a bit testy.... its just impossible to please everyone and sometimes i think i should give pprune a break

i might depart for a month and give you all a break :)

soz

Don't think that when GD goes everything will change overnight and the new CEO will rush in and say how sorry he (she) is to the Longhaul crew for all past injustices, here is more money and better conditions, whatever you ask for. Just like everyone thought the new government would a year ago.

It could potentially be worse than GD if it the Irish one.

As for the fees, well times change, what happened in the past is not always going to work into the future. We need to get everyone on board and as it currently stands, we will not get many. Your nasty remarks to them Peg is only going to alienate the union further in their eyes.

On the pathetic wage they are earning, they deserve not to have to pay the same amount as we do on nearly double their amount. How many other unions do the same? Even the tech crew have a percentage meaning Captains pay more than F/O's and so on. I know it is hard for us to swallow this, but if they don't all join we are basically all screwed very soon.

Then the 787 drama will unfold in about 3 years after the oil crisis is over. We need to all be together for that one if what I believe is true comes to fruition.

True,

Can't please everyone, but it saddens me that even the suggestion of QCCA crew paying a little less in Union fees than QLH crew creates so much resistance from QLH crew and outrage and nasty comments.

Can't help but think what would happen if the two groups had to come together and agree on changes to another area of conditions. Just goes to show, that the idea of QCCA and QLH crew uniting probably will not happen. If anything as has been said, the gap will grow....

I'll join Peg and take a break from the topic as well. Sad really!!!!

It doesn't help any of us to argue here but I reckon the company doesn't have any probs changing to help themselves so we should do the same.
The job is always the same but the conditions are not.If we told crew 20 years ago what would happen theyd laugh at us.
The company always wants to put up walls and split us and if we don't come up with new ideas they win again.
I'll go along with any reasonable ideas just to stick it to the company and not let them win cause one of the things that p!$$*$ them off is seeing us having a ball and enjoying the job and life.

laut
 

couldnt agree more with ya...
i think the problem here is that we are on a road with no turns. its a str8 forward walk and its gonna be all down hill........
hope life as a pilot is better for ya.

The Sky Is Falling
 

Doom and Gloom have been predicted for the last thirty years.
The Sky Still hasnt fallen.
There has always been divisions.
The bid system was introduced in 1988 because there were two Associations...one for male CC and one for female CC.
The female association back doored the bid system for the company.
Before that there was the SP dispute in 1981.
Domestics/Longhaul...then the bases.....and now QAL and QCCA.
Stil you have 1000s turn up for interviews to fly.
It will laways be about lifestyle...the rest is secondary.
CC are resourceful....a way around circumstances is always found.