Cartexhange and Paxing,

Pull your head out of the airline environment for 5 min and broaden your understanding of the Australian Unions and you will QUICKLY discover that union fees based on pay scales are a common scheme within Australian Unions....

And furthermore, if you raise the argument of paying less for fees = less representation, then i will be just as childish as you and say if QCCA are paid less than QLH then QCCA should work less than QLH...:rolleyes:

QANTART
the door to go back to the uncertain world of MAM is open!

QCCA knew full well what they signed up for!

If the FAAA offer a discount to any other member a lot of people would simply resign from the FAAA.

Anyway here we go whinge whinge whinge, I now understand why the beehives at s/haul were so hard on you........

Cartexchange

What astonishes me about people like you is that as soon as we are not of a similar view to your you go on the attack.... I am not MAM and if I were i would be quite happy to say i was. It's getting very boring with QLH crew always putting the blame on SH, MAM, AKL, BKK crew for everything.....

As for your comments about QLH crew resigning from FAAA if they offer discounts to QCCA, that would not suprise me the least.... Its all about take, take, take... God forbid if we had a better deal than QLH... Pathetic!!!!

FACT- QCCA is a serpate company, just like any other Subsidiary in the Qantas Group. Why shouldn't a QCCA employees have a different pay rate like everyone else? Why is the FAAA representing QCCA with the same representative for QFA?

I don't understand how the FAAA can expect QCCA crew to pay money to a union that is supporting people that have better conditions than them. If they are contributing to the same union group, they should have the same working conditions!

Especially how QCCA are 'paying for' (after the free period) for a membership that is only looking after QFA.

What's the union done for QCCA? Got them jobs.. Hello QCCA was comming with or without the EBA vote.. All the Union did was secure the conditions so that QCCA couldn't get better rostering than QFA. Had it have been Qantas's way, QCCA would be doing all the money making sectors at a cheaper rate. Say what you like we all know its true. Qantas is business and cutting cost with employees is what they know best!

hey guys you have a really good option
instead of whining and crying.
Just quit...... I have already told you the door is open for you to go elsewhere.
If you dont like it just go..........
go work for tiger or somewhere else there are people lining up to replace you...
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There seems to be a lot of unhappy ex MAMer now QCCAers. If you don't want to pay tax deductable union fees then don't. Its an insurance policy just like your car insurance or health insurance. If you are that poor and can't afford it then pray that the QF company management don't pull you in for a clause 11. Guaranteed you will lose any battle because you are stupid enough not to pay union fees, then you are stupid enough that you won't be able to fight your own battles.

I am not a Unionist by any means but you must have mental problems if you think that $10 a week (approx) is too much to pay.

hey guys you have a really good option
instead of whining and crying.
Just quit...... I have already told you the door is open for you to go elsewhere.
If you dont like it just go..........
go work for tiger or somewhere else there are people lining up to replace you...
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QCCA Union Officials?
 

Are there any elected union officials that are QCCA FA's? Until the union has an even spread of QCCA and QFA elected officials, there is absolutely no point in QCCA crew joining the union. They (QCCA) would be much better off starting their own association, which operates purely for QCCA, and does not have a conflict of interest.

Just a "techie" here (god I hate that term, but anyway...)

How about union membership as a % of your income. That's how it's done with AIPA. 0.75% from memory. Haven't heard anyone EVER complain about it, and let's face it, our salaries vary a lot more than yours from the bottom to the top (i.e. A330 S/O vs. B744 captain is a difference of over $250,000).

Just a thought...

UPD if 10 dollars isnt too much to ask for a week then I guess you would agree for the union to increase your payment by 10 dollars a week to cover the cost for all QCCA crew members

yes thats a great idea...QCCA crew that are unhappy with tthe FAAA shoud form their own union.....

Let me know when its up and running....

in the mean time the FAAA is happy to represent members to the best of its ability, anyone unhapppy is free to resign....


Bye bye

Strewth ! It didn't take long for the new QCCA guys to start complaining:confused:

All the "old timers" predicted this many many months ago re T&C's.

Agree with others here and the general message that we've been copping from management for years.

If you don't like it ......:mad::mad::mad::mad: ORF !

Classy bunch!!!:rolleyes:

A Truism
 

While the small dogs bark the wagon still rolls on

It never ceases to amaze me how all Qantas long haul crew believe the only solution for QCCA crew is to leave if we are unhappy. Qantas long haul is not your little play thing anymore it will belong to QCCA in the future therefore dont you think you should be playing like nice little 55 year old children.

As for the FAAA, firstly I cant afford to join at the moment and even if I wanted to I wont without QCCA representation. I just love how the FAAA puts out notices saying we are all one big happy family BUT all hell breaks loose and notices are flying out thick and fast as soon as something has a direct effect on Qantas long haul crew. I love it, so much for the family as long as QCCA stay in the back seat and keep our mouth shut we will be a big happy family right?

And no im not going anywhere pegasus, cartexchange and the rest of you. Just to see you all feel the pain in 5 years I intend to stay for at least another 5-6 years than I will move on.

The Job..The Lifestyle.A Contemporary Synopsis
 

The life of a QF CC member is pretty damn good.
Its never dull and is always challenging.
The pay and conditions for the work done are agreeable
The attrition rate is low and there are always Q's a mile long when recruitment is opened.
The money saved by shopping overseas can add about $3k to a crew members disposable income.
The super scheme,the salary sacrificing,the credit union and the travel benefits are all part of the deal.
Most would be envious.
Still we have the bitching over trivia and nonsense.
The bar has been lowered..the pool of suitable applicants has shrunk.
So we have individuals who dont fully appreciate the lifestyle/job they now have.
The greed, the envy, the selfishness and the self obsession is breathtaking.
Before 1988 the job was poorly paid.
The floating of the $A and the introduction of the bid system made the job worthwhile.
Unforunately the Bid System has been responsible for destroying the culture of inclusion.
We now have subcultures of small self intersted groups who foolishly believe that they are more important than the whole.
Theses groups will destroy what is left
A short employment lifespan and no career path further eroded by the stupidity of the few.
It started with the merger of Australian and Qantas...two cultures colliding while management stood on the sidlines promoting the dysfunction.
Instead of thinking "me" start thinking "us" and maybe you will a chance of salvaging something of what is still an excellent way of making a living.
If the current mentality doesnt change the race to the bottom will be won by the vocal angry few and they will bring everyone down with them.
Management will watch the destruction with smug satisfaction

Oh lord - stop whingeing QCCA

I had to move to London for two years - it was the only way I could keep my job here in Australia! I made that decision, am glad I did, and dont blame anyone for me saying 'yes' to do it.

Try living in London on QCCA wages because that's what we did!

It's all about personal decisions.

I do JNB back to back. That's my lot at the moment and I accept it, I make the most of it and have fun every time! Whenever I here QCCA crew complain about JNB's I point out that some SYD crew have been doing nothing but JNB's for 6 years.

We all have different conditions .. QAL, QCCA, QCCUK, BKK and AKL ... the one thing we all have in common is choice:

If it's that f**king terrible for you, then just leave!

It's a no-brainer :ugh:

But please dont think you can get away with doing less work onboard because your conditions are different to those who are working with you - others have tried it and have been sacked. You are paid [enter pay-scale here] to do a job. If you dont want to do it for that pay scale, then just leave.

Oh and I must add - the only whinging crew from QCCA that I have met are all ex-MAM.

The rest are lovely, and enjoy it. Funny, my friends from SH constantly tell me that MAM crew do nothing but whinge, so I guess leopards dont change their spots.

Life is a choice guys, dont like what you do for the money you get paid? ... do something else for someone else! Or get together and change it at the next EBA.

I know I will never get choice of holidays, never get a choice of days off ++ shrugs ++ but I still enjoy what I do, and do it damm well :cool:

Whingeing little old QFQCCA me? London, 2 years you say, back to back Joburg you say, ex MAM you say. Maybe you should have a look at yourself. As for the whole not working onboard thing where did you get that from oh right your ex london base thats it.

The one thing i can say is that all the whinging is anonymous and behind closed doors, if they whinge in front of me they better have something credible or constructive to say.

If its the sort of crap they sprout on here they will be heading home for a show cause meeting with their manager.

And if they are not an FAAA member it will be Bye Bye

onboard managers will weed out the crap and by the sounds of it there is not a lot but dont worry if you stick your head up you will be dealt with

Bye Bye

PS and if you are unhappy your manager is Nic O'Connor let him know how unhappy you are and copy in the faaa at [email protected]

You are all gutless whingers...if you think you have any case at all put it to your boss Nic O'Connor, who you prostituted yourselves to to get the job in the first place.

If you can earn more money and have skills that are undervalued take them to someone else cos we sure as hell dont need you

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"and if you are unhappy your manager is Nic O'Connor let him know how unhappy you are "

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I think they are peg as they were lined up outside his broom closet waiting to see him the other day.

Qantas, just one big unhappy family:ok:

With 80% of the A380 crew QCCA the sh1t fight that will be in inception it's going to be one hell of a spectacle to watch...........:E