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Attention:Qantas Longhaul Flight Attendants Accommodation
17 May 2008
Attention all Qantas Longhaul Flight Attendants
Update on Room Allocation and Seniority
Last week I wrote to you and advised you that the Company have changed the Compliance Sheet so that crew appear in Category order and alphabetically. Further, the hotels also receive information in Alphabetical order now as well.
We have been inundated with calls and emails from Flight Attendants, Supervisors and Managers, whose mood has been less than overjoyed at suddenly being allocated hotel rooms on the basis of their fathers surname without recognition of their years of service.
Furthermore our newer members as well as AKL and BKK crew have also found the whole process de-motivating, and before crew start reacting in ways that would be unedifying we ask for patience so that we can try and find a sensible solution with the Company.
I have spoken to senior management over this weekend and they have agreed to meet on Monday to try and find a sensible and practical resolution. I think it would be fair to say that some have underestimated how important these “little” things are for crew.
There is a chain of command on an aircraft that works in Seniority Order, and that is part of our CCOM. There is no reason to depart from a system that worked for everyone.
Under the established system if your name is Zimmerman your seniority will determine work position and hotel room allocation, under the newly “non agreed” process you will find yourself at the end of room selection and work position selection for the rest of your career. Seniority moves up, your name doesn’t normally change.
As I said previously, “Aaron Aardvark” formerly known as Steven Reed could well be the future for all of us, if we cannot get some simple changes agreed next week.
Please be patient, I am hopeful a sensible solution can be found.
Attention all Qantas Longhaul Flight Attendants
Update on Room Allocation and Seniority
Last week I wrote to you and advised you that the Company have changed the Compliance Sheet so that crew appear in Category order and alphabetically. Further, the hotels also receive information in Alphabetical order now as well.
We have been inundated with calls and emails from Flight Attendants, Supervisors and Managers, whose mood has been less than overjoyed at suddenly being allocated hotel rooms on the basis of their fathers surname without recognition of their years of service.
Furthermore our newer members as well as AKL and BKK crew have also found the whole process de-motivating, and before crew start reacting in ways that would be unedifying we ask for patience so that we can try and find a sensible solution with the Company.
I have spoken to senior management over this weekend and they have agreed to meet on Monday to try and find a sensible and practical resolution. I think it would be fair to say that some have underestimated how important these “little” things are for crew.
There is a chain of command on an aircraft that works in Seniority Order, and that is part of our CCOM. There is no reason to depart from a system that worked for everyone.
Under the established system if your name is Zimmerman your seniority will determine work position and hotel room allocation, under the newly “non agreed” process you will find yourself at the end of room selection and work position selection for the rest of your career. Seniority moves up, your name doesn’t normally change.
As I said previously, “Aaron Aardvark” formerly known as Steven Reed could well be the future for all of us, if we cannot get some simple changes agreed next week.
Please be patient, I am hopeful a sensible solution can be found.
Witten and authorised by Steven Reed – President International Division
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ROOM ALLOCATION, SENIORITY AND COMPLIANCE SHEETS - 23 May
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"QCCA crew would know that the Company wished to maintain a “fair share” system for work allocation. However, we pointed out that the use of the alphabet discriminates against those whose names are at the end of the alphabet, and that is hardly fair share."
"FA (QCCA, AKL, BKK in random order) not alphabetical"
Is a random order a “fair share” system for QCCA?
"QCCA crew would know that the Company wished to maintain a “fair share” system for work allocation. However, we pointed out that the use of the alphabet discriminates against those whose names are at the end of the alphabet, and that is hardly fair share."
"FA (QCCA, AKL, BKK in random order) not alphabetical"
Is a random order a “fair share” system for QCCA?
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it would be so much easier if the hotel rooms and work positions went on D.O.J.
its simple, effective, and easy.
The alphabetical system is very very discriminatory.
who's idea was it anyway....
the AKL based crew will be surprised to hear this from me, but their work positions should be on seniority
its simple, effective, and easy.
The alphabetical system is very very discriminatory.
who's idea was it anyway....
the AKL based crew will be surprised to hear this from me, but their work positions should be on seniority
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the AKL based crew will be surprised to hear this from me, but their work positions should be on seniority
Well all seniority isn't fair either as QCCA who started yesterday for example would be senior to AKL and BKK crew.
DOJ would definitely be the fairer option as long as it involved all crew right across all bases.
Just my two bobs worth.
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One airline I worked for allocated work positions according to DOJ. We had about 6 crew bases at the time and seniority was based on DOJ regardless of base.
Other airlines, the SCCM would either allocate before the briefing, distributing the experience evenly or would just ask "who wants to work where?" and we just worked it out amongst ourselves. Our newbies had 'position cards' which recorded what positions they had worked previously and they needed to work all the positions a few times, including galley, so this had to be taken into account when the more senior crew chose where to work.
Assigning positions alphabetically was obviously thought up by someone who has never flown. I can't help but wonder if this is to demotivate senior crew so they will leave.
Other airlines, the SCCM would either allocate before the briefing, distributing the experience evenly or would just ask "who wants to work where?" and we just worked it out amongst ourselves. Our newbies had 'position cards' which recorded what positions they had worked previously and they needed to work all the positions a few times, including galley, so this had to be taken into account when the more senior crew chose where to work.
Assigning positions alphabetically was obviously thought up by someone who has never flown. I can't help but wonder if this is to demotivate senior crew so they will leave.
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"I can't help but wonder if this is to demotivate senior crew so they will leave."
Correct.
It is also designed to avoid the situation that currently exists in airlines where, the more senior you become the more/better "choices" you have.
Can't have happy crew hanging around past their "use by" date, can we??
QF management really are nothing more than ideologically driven, lowlife.
"I can't help but wonder if this is to demotivate senior crew so they will leave."
Correct.
It is also designed to avoid the situation that currently exists in airlines where, the more senior you become the more/better "choices" you have.
Can't have happy crew hanging around past their "use by" date, can we??
QF management really are nothing more than ideologically driven, lowlife.
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And today's update from the FAAA.
http://www.faaa.net/showfile.asp?id=1423&type=N
Just goes to show who the union thinks are more important.
I guess they didn't like the preallocated system as this wouldn't give the QF LH crew the choice either. If all QCCA/AKL/ and BKK crew were preallocated that means QFLHCC would be theoretically last to choose work positions.
This whole thing is a complete balls up and just another way to divide crew....pffft
http://www.faaa.net/showfile.asp?id=1423&type=N
Just goes to show who the union thinks are more important.
I guess they didn't like the preallocated system as this wouldn't give the QF LH crew the choice either. If all QCCA/AKL/ and BKK crew were preallocated that means QFLHCC would be theoretically last to choose work positions.
This whole thing is a complete balls up and just another way to divide crew....pffft
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The differences between QF and QCCA employes are outlined in EBA8. At the moment it appears the union is favouring one group more than the other.
I guess it is hard for the union to do this though, since there employee representation is only comming from a Qantas employee and not a QCCA employee.
I guess it is hard for the union to do this though, since there employee representation is only comming from a Qantas employee and not a QCCA employee.
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Perhaps the FAAA were unable to convince qantas management to budge on their position re QCCA in what I'm sure they consider a, "greenfield operation".
The FAAA can jump up and down as much as they like but QF do make the decisions............
The FAAA can jump up and down as much as they like but QF do make the decisions............
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ok here we go! skylarker and QFLHFA are starting the whining and crying about the union favouring one group over the other.
At present the majority of crew are QFLH and the QCCA are a very small minority.
However, this union at the moment is actually supporting the QCCA quite strongly, just read that hideous newsletter that was written recently by the union titled
8 May 2008
Attention all Qantas Longhaul Flight Attendants
ELECTION FOR DIVISIONAL SECRETARY
If you think the union is not supporting you then read this newsletter, it infuriated a lot of LH crew, it was seen as very insulting to the QFLH crew, as the vast majority have welcomed the QCCA crew and continue to do so.
Why they published this letter is beyond many of us as we had no idea that such thoughts or comments were being circulated.
Anyway, stop your whining and let QF management know how you feel about the allocation of work positions.
I can assure you that the current QCCA employees will want some say of where they go and where they work in about 5 years time!
At present the majority of crew are QFLH and the QCCA are a very small minority.
However, this union at the moment is actually supporting the QCCA quite strongly, just read that hideous newsletter that was written recently by the union titled
8 May 2008
Attention all Qantas Longhaul Flight Attendants
ELECTION FOR DIVISIONAL SECRETARY
If you think the union is not supporting you then read this newsletter, it infuriated a lot of LH crew, it was seen as very insulting to the QFLH crew, as the vast majority have welcomed the QCCA crew and continue to do so.
Why they published this letter is beyond many of us as we had no idea that such thoughts or comments were being circulated.
Anyway, stop your whining and let QF management know how you feel about the allocation of work positions.
I can assure you that the current QCCA employees will want some say of where they go and where they work in about 5 years time!
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I dissagree with your interpretation of the letter dated 8 May 2008.
For the FAAA to be supporting both QCCA and QFA they need to suggest to Qantas for alined proposals for workplace and hotel room allocation.
The divisions between the two are outlined in EBA8, for the FAAA to even propose to Qantas to serperate them any futher (after Qantas bought them together using an Alphabetical order) only supports the fact that they only considering what's best for QFA.
The fact is that QCCA is going to grow, and for the FAAA to not be behind the small group that they are now will only find themselves with a smaller percentage of members from the Long Haul CC division than what they are currrently used to. You can't win without numbers.
For the FAAA to be supporting both QCCA and QFA they need to suggest to Qantas for alined proposals for workplace and hotel room allocation.
The divisions between the two are outlined in EBA8, for the FAAA to even propose to Qantas to serperate them any futher (after Qantas bought them together using an Alphabetical order) only supports the fact that they only considering what's best for QFA.
The fact is that QCCA is going to grow, and for the FAAA to not be behind the small group that they are now will only find themselves with a smaller percentage of members from the Long Haul CC division than what they are currrently used to. You can't win without numbers.
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Speak to a colleague employeed under how QCCA's conditions, ask how they feel? You have nothing to loose since the union didn't.
The Union must remember to consider and support QCCA as equally as QFA or they will find themselves in a weak position. They will loose members. I already heard talk of crew resigning from the Union and the group has only been around for 3 months.
The Union must remember to consider and support QCCA as equally as QFA or they will find themselves in a weak position. They will loose members. I already heard talk of crew resigning from the Union and the group has only been around for 3 months.
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QFLHFA
just leave if you dont like it!
Honestly you seem hell bent on causing trouble.
MAM at s/haul are waiting for you, now go on go back, we really dont need your ilk Here at LH....go on, stop your whining and get back to MAM.
Your collegues are having a good time here, realy enjoying themselves,
ITS JUST YOU!
just leave if you dont like it!
Honestly you seem hell bent on causing trouble.
MAM at s/haul are waiting for you, now go on go back, we really dont need your ilk Here at LH....go on, stop your whining and get back to MAM.
Your collegues are having a good time here, realy enjoying themselves,
ITS JUST YOU!
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After reading your posts, you are the one causing trouble attacking other forum posters.
I'm state facts and I'm interested in other peoples opinions.
I understand thats difficult for you, it is something a lot of us at Qantas aren't used to, interested in someone else's opinon. Your previous responses are evident to that.
I'm state facts and I'm interested in other peoples opinions.
I understand thats difficult for you, it is something a lot of us at Qantas aren't used to, interested in someone else's opinon. Your previous responses are evident to that.