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Continue please gentlemen.:ouch:

the threats just keep coming, No four hours pay for you, No payrise for you, No A380 training for you, No B787 contract for you, NO SOUP FOR YOU.........nazi's.:yuk:

PAF
As has been said umpteen times before, the lames are only banning overtime. A company as big as Qantas should not be relying on staff working overtime to keep its flights operating, this proves that there is something seriously wrong with its operation. I was also led to believe that overtime is completely voluntary, so as far as i'm concerned the customer inconvenience lies squarely on the shoulders of Qantas mismanagement, but i'm sure you wont agree as from all your previous posts you just get a kick out of baiting people, you must have a pretty poor life if this is all you can do.

Australian Financial Review Monday 2nd June 2008 / Letters page 59
 

Qantas CEO Needs Seachange

02 Jun 2008 | The Australian Financial Review

Qantas lurches from bad news story to bad news story, either of its own telling or as recounted by so many of its weary and disappointed customers ("Qantas axes routes, jobs on fuel pain", May 29).
I cannot identify a chief executive officer who is focused less on the needs of his customers and staff and more on creating shareholder and executive wealth than Geoff Dixon.
In this he ignores the dictums that, in a service industry, customers need constant attention, and staff need to be treated in the same way as you would want them to treat your customers.
Constant cost cutting and “Chicken Little” speeches, lead to corporate anorexia and disengaged staff, never to sustainable high performance.
On the upside, having weekly contact with Qantas staff, I am continually amazed at the latent goodwill and commitment that so many of these people have for their organisation and brand.
While Insurance Australia Group may have been overled and undermanaged, Qantas suffers from relative overmanagement and a leadership void as Dixon fails to enlist his people in the task of working through the group’s challenges.
As the Qantas board approaches the choice of its next CEO, we can only hope it recognises the need for a seachange in the role of, and contribution from, Dixon’s successor.
Roger R. Collins
Gerroa NSW

It was quite amusing that this article was deleted on the Qantas intranet. But then again what do you expect when the place is run by nazis.

Exactly PAF i would have no problem with the company employing more people, we need them as we are understaffed and the workload is getting heavier all the time. Before the pia we were working flat out and struggling to get the aircraft out on time, sometimes managing and sometimes not, between staff being seconded to bull**** positions and guys leaving without being replaced it's become really hard to produce a quality product on time.

Many moons ago, I was part of a crew responsible for packing a "tupperware" helicopter into a herc, that was to fly to a holiday island closer to Jakarta than Sydney...

We worked late into the night for a couple of days (I think we had six hours off between shifts, ie 16 on, 6 off, 16 on).

Anyway, nobody had a problem, in fact we felt proud that we were doing something for the operation. We all knew that we may not get time in lieu, or even anything more than the personal satisfaction of getting the job done.

The real difference though, was that this was an unusual event, and we weren't expected to do it every day. We also had confidence that our supervisors would go in to bat for us to get some time off, or at least a sqn bbq.

This leads me to "Management 101 for Dummies" look after you subordinates. It doesn't matter how far below you they are.

For Q to be in this position suggests to me that there has been a culture of "us and them" for a long time. The managers are ALL replaceable, so are the LAMEs, but they take a lot longer, and more money to replace.

If your supervisor has sold you out once, you can expect it to happen every time!

"Some people learn by experience, it hurts less to learn by somebody else's experience":}

On the same money that we get paid, that's fair isn't it?

No problem at all Frozo. Just another collective of people with common status. Obviously those who elect not to join a union would prefer to bargain in the mangers office every year for a pay rise or perhaps they wouldn't. I personally prefer the collective arrangement where our collective funds are more efficient.

You seem to be anti-collective. Understand it is arguably part of our genetic code to form social groups. Here are a few others.
One World
The Australian Business Council
The Housing Industry Association
The Australian Medical Association
Rotary Australia
The ALAEA
The Sutherland Shires readers club
Australian Banker Association

Just groups of people with commonality of some kind. If some of those group have issues with stakeholders perhaps other parts of the community will suffer from temporary drop in service which could be banks, builders, doctors. Perhaps a service industry such as Air travel. However our constitution gives everyone the right to lawfully protest unfair or unjust treatment until agreement is reached. It happens between a man and a wife and employers and employee. Disagreement, protest, mediation, resolve. All part of the democratic process.

Be proud of yourself. You are a good person. If you want to go solo so be it, but don't restrict the rights of people because they are causing you temporary problems of a canceled flights or extensive delays. This is not the first industrial dispute and a it won't be the last but it is an important part of democracy.

My grandfather always said if you don't have something good or nice to say about someone don't. I have failed to find a supporting contribution to this forum thread from you. You may find support but starting a thread "Supporters of non Union workers for Qantas" here on Pprune but I think it would be best for all if you avoided this thread. Of course it is you choice, just as we have a choice of join a union. You have a choice not to join one and that's what I am suggesting about this thread. (Somehow I think you will hang around for just something to do, I am right?)

You want to be an individual, migrate to Myanmar. No strikes there, they remove the dissidents. The engineers would be gone by now and PAFs would just cleaning up the mess.

QF31 Delay
 

In relation to post #1905

The second last line reads - "Qantas declined to comment on whether the toilets were sabotaged."

How dare that useless old fart and his loyal band of pole smokers even think that professional engineers such as the guys at QF would contemplate sabotage.
FOG - you rot in hell now ya hear!


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This message is hidden because Pass-A-Frozo is on your ignore list.

PAF, what on earth are you on about? I have actually given you the benefit of the doubt with your views, but now I am convinced that you just goad people into reaction as some sort of perverse pleasure.

Have you not heard your idol, di*kson, recently state that "the board has signed off on a 3% wage rise for everyone(except himself and his cronies)? Well, it's not a recent policy, it has been around for nearly a decade, despite all the Qantas unions attempts to change it. So WHO has been fixing wages? I'm surprised he hasn't had the board sign off on a 3% wage CUT for everyone( except for himself and his cronies). I suppose he doesn't have any balls!

So only management are aloud to have "meetings" You know, the type where people get together and have dialogue? Actually have some sort of interaction. So you expect the next board meeting to be conducted by email?

The union offered to keep a skeleton staff on, but the company rejected that offer, and forced them into the stop work meeting. The union took a huge gamble taking that meeting, with a real fear of a lock out.

But the lockout didn't happen because why? Your solution would have been to have di*kson bring in an alternative workforce willing to work for "whatever the employee is happy to take" Guess what? He has been looking for that alternative workforce for months, and can't find enough of them at DOUBLE what the current LAME's are earning. And he is quibbling about 2%? And you still think he is reasonable?

If you can't see from a customer's point of view...I believe you are a Platinum FF.. nor from the many threads and posts on PPrune, the very real shortcomings of the management of Qantas, and how they are systematically destroying the company, then you really are just a sh*t stirrer. The company still gets passengers where they need to go (generally), despite of management, not because of them.

PAF
 

PAF
I have watched your comments on this site for some time now and I, for one, am fed up seeing your ramblings on here!

If you are not directly involved in this dispute please leave us alone.
We do not care for or want to listen to your comments.

The Union Members have spoken as one.
We have no room for singular views, nor do we seek them.


I suggest you send any further, directly to;

G Dixon
c/o Qantas
Mascot
NSW
2020

Not too sure he'll reply though.
Goodbye PAF.

PAF
 

"I disagree with harming tens of thousands of people and the Australian economy to prove that point".

But Geoff Dixon is doing the same - and yet you support him?

Why do you keep saying that? It has been pointed out to you numerous times that it's the MANAGEMENT harming your tens of thousands of people and the economy. All the employees are doing is following the company's procedures, and not doing any overtime. What part of "overtime is voluntary in Australia", do you not understand?

In effect the company has been bludging on it's employees goodwill for the best part of a decade. And all of a sudden some of it's employees are doing only what they are paid to do, their "contract", and you continually accuse them of destroying the economy!:ugh:

Listen to me again guys ADD PAF TO YOUR IGNORE LIST. Stop wasting valuable time and energy aguing with this annoying troll! Imagine how frustrated he will be if nobody reacts because nobody is listening?

Update from MEL
 

It has been confirmed that 5 of our brothers were docked 4 hrs of pay for refusing to park a 747-300 aircraft.

The facts are as follows:

International lame's usually handle these movements.
They finished their shift at 0130.
Qf do not roster international Lame's between 0130 & 0400.
The aircraft arrived approx 0200.
The 5 lame's who were docked are not licenced on 747-300 as they are from the domestic operation.
They also have no famil or any other training or experience on that type.
The DMM on duty was one of the 5.
There is no procedure or LAP that directs an untrained engineer how to carry out a B747-300 arrival.
The aircraft remained short of the parked position unchocked untill an appropriately trained lame arrived at 0400 with crew still on board aircraft.
The local manager is adamant that lame's must do whatever he tells them even if it is against procedures.
OHS reps pursued the issue during the day to no avail.

Please be aware that the tarmac is even more dangerous than usual as the stress and anxiety of our brothers is increased whilst the threat of loss of income may come at any time when you are asked to carry out something you are not trained to do.:=

Be careful :ok:

PAF is my buddy!!!
 

Collusion: Pronunciation[kuh-loo-zhuhhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/g...una/thinsp.pngn] 1.a secret agreement, esp. for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him.

I think it is quite publicly stated we seek 5%. You obviously don't understand the difference between collective and collusion.

I would suggest many business collectives do set prices. One of the common price setting practices is recommended retail price. Have you ever noticed RRP. REIQ is another example that set commission rates for it members, oops another collective. Banks have similar charges for foreign ATM usage. How fascinating? Just a coincidence I suppose.

Obviously you are blue collar background who believes work is only labor.
I have a friend who works in security and she complains she does nothing all day. Just walks around and looks.
Without disrespecting our Fireman you could draw a conclusion that they don't work in between fires using your logic. Look outside the square PAF.

I post here to be critical of Qantas. I do not hold any personal judgment of the people concerned merely there professional decisions.
Just as I would have a beer with you. We would agree to disagree and move on. I am confused why you still remain here where you have no support. Start that threads and finds some buddies!

Just as a Dragon supporter doesn't hang out at the Roosters bar. Do you understand what I am trying to convey to you PAF?

I am very impressed you are aware of the government issues in that country I was beginning to lose faith.

Anyway I will apologise now if I fail to take part in any more banter as I do feel I am wasting valuable key strokes that should be used toward something I feel more passionate about. Nice talking with you PAF and I hope you get to where you want to go.

Get This Through Your Thick Head MH.
 

which is a clear breach of the OH&S act and the QE safety policy whether QE management think so or not.:ugh:

Time to get the VWA involved me thinks and let them decide via an anal probe, BYO lube.:E

Spicks n Specks
 

Qantas now the bane of jokes.
On Spicks and Specks tonight one of the competitors made a joke about "being as irregular as Qantas."

People are starting to take notice.

Keep it up lads.