Immigration to Australia for pilots
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Immigration to Australia for pilots
Gday,
I have a question about pro-pilot immigration to Australia.
Why is a Pilot ranked amongst the 60 points jobs to obtain immigration visas to Australia?
Isn’t it that Australia is one of the world most pilot exporting countries and jobs in Australia are hard to get?
What is the Logic behind this policy?
Cheers
I have a question about pro-pilot immigration to Australia.
Why is a Pilot ranked amongst the 60 points jobs to obtain immigration visas to Australia?
Isn’t it that Australia is one of the world most pilot exporting countries and jobs in Australia are hard to get?
What is the Logic behind this policy?
Cheers
The Australian government encourages pilots to relocate to this sunny country so that 2 things can be achieved...........
(a) More people to post on PPrune about the lack of flying jobs,
and,
(b) A ready pool of applicants for future vacancies in the taxi industry
(a) More people to post on PPrune about the lack of flying jobs,
and,
(b) A ready pool of applicants for future vacancies in the taxi industry
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B Sousa,
Your post regarding illegal Mexican immigrants suing the US Govt. for their pain and suffering…
I think there would be no litigation if the US law had provisions and loopholes allowing for frivolous lawsuits as such…
As for Spanish being almost like an official language in many of the southwestern States, That is due to the historical fact these territories once belonged to Mexico.
The US Government bought some of this land and I was told that there was an agreement to keep Spanish in the status it holds now.
Your post regarding illegal Mexican immigrants suing the US Govt. for their pain and suffering…
I think there would be no litigation if the US law had provisions and loopholes allowing for frivolous lawsuits as such…
As for Spanish being almost like an official language in many of the southwestern States, That is due to the historical fact these territories once belonged to Mexico.
The US Government bought some of this land and I was told that there was an agreement to keep Spanish in the status it holds now.
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I couldn't help notice that your Registered: Dec 1969, how can that be possible... As far as i can remember when registering you can't change the date...
So how old are you anyway ?...
I couldn't help notice that your Registered: Dec 1969, how can that be possible... As far as i can remember when registering you can't change the date...
So how old are you anyway ?...
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chimbu warrior,
Yeah you would be right about what you’re saying, only my version would include:
No one in their right mind would leave a job flying a decent plane in a decent outfit to come to Australia and say work for Air taxi.
There must be some pilots with jet airline experience who have gotten airline work upon arriving to Australia.( that is before Ansett folded up I guess)
I would be interested to find the average wage range from a G/A pilot in Australia to an entry-level airline job.
Thanks
Yeah you would be right about what you’re saying, only my version would include:
No one in their right mind would leave a job flying a decent plane in a decent outfit to come to Australia and say work for Air taxi.
There must be some pilots with jet airline experience who have gotten airline work upon arriving to Australia.( that is before Ansett folded up I guess)
I would be interested to find the average wage range from a G/A pilot in Australia to an entry-level airline job.
Thanks
PPRuNe Handmaiden
Concordino,
Yep, a few have indeed.
For pay rates, have a look at the Osiris site. I can't remember the link but it has the "award" pay that GA, regional and "major" airline pilots get. The link is on another computer sorry. I am sure someone will provide the link.
Not all companies will have their pay listed but you'll get a rough idea.
Yep, a few have indeed.
For pay rates, have a look at the Osiris site. I can't remember the link but it has the "award" pay that GA, regional and "major" airline pilots get. The link is on another computer sorry. I am sure someone will provide the link.
Not all companies will have their pay listed but you'll get a rough idea.
I am involved in recruitment and employment of foreign skilled labour and have many immediate vacancies in rural areas. Any of the following highlighted professions (together with nurses, diesel fitters, fitters and turners etc) are welcome to PM me.
"bricklayer, gardener, cook (Chef), pre-school teacher, panel beater, hairdresser, butcher, nurseryman or plumber"
But pilots? Sorry - no vacancies. No job, no Visa. And to those diesel fitter etc who are also Commercial pilots, no dice. A 457 Temporary Resident Visa requires the holder to remain in the same occupation, same rural environment, same employer during the term of the Visa (up to four years.)
Bronlund The Chimbu warrior is ancient, almost pre historic - and looks even older than what he actually is! First registrations in PPRuNe were in 1999 sometime, can't remember the month, and one of my "nom de plums" is amongst the first 100. I think Redo is also in that very first group. The changed date bit occurred some time ago - think a Moderator may have done it as a joke - Redo may know as I think she also had some impossibly astronomical number of posts at one stage.
"bricklayer, gardener, cook (Chef), pre-school teacher, panel beater, hairdresser, butcher, nurseryman or plumber"
But pilots? Sorry - no vacancies. No job, no Visa. And to those diesel fitter etc who are also Commercial pilots, no dice. A 457 Temporary Resident Visa requires the holder to remain in the same occupation, same rural environment, same employer during the term of the Visa (up to four years.)
Bronlund The Chimbu warrior is ancient, almost pre historic - and looks even older than what he actually is! First registrations in PPRuNe were in 1999 sometime, can't remember the month, and one of my "nom de plums" is amongst the first 100. I think Redo is also in that very first group. The changed date bit occurred some time ago - think a Moderator may have done it as a joke - Redo may know as I think she also had some impossibly astronomical number of posts at one stage.
BIK, yup, employer sponsored only.
You make a very interesting point: "There are literally hundreds of different visa categories" Now, I wonder if the number of different Visas and plethora of ludicrous forms may be designed to frustrate and p!$$ off potential immigrants/overseas skilled workers?
You make a very interesting point: "There are literally hundreds of different visa categories" Now, I wonder if the number of different Visas and plethora of ludicrous forms may be designed to frustrate and p!$$ off potential immigrants/overseas skilled workers?
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The missus and myself have been thinking of heading to Oz for a few months and have decided that if it can be made to work then we shall apply for a visa and seek employment in the sunny southern hemisphere.
From a Pro-pilot perspective, is the job market picking up ?
Are there opportunities with the Air-Taxi/Regional operations for low hour guys like myself
How do you go about converting to an Australian CAA licence ?
If anyone has experience of making this transition (And it would seem as though plenty have in both directions), your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Goldfinger
From a Pro-pilot perspective, is the job market picking up ?
Are there opportunities with the Air-Taxi/Regional operations for low hour guys like myself
How do you go about converting to an Australian CAA licence ?
If anyone has experience of making this transition (And it would seem as though plenty have in both directions), your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Goldfinger
Goldfinger, as a very rough rule of thumb, experience requirements in Oz for each 'level' up the career ladder are one or two orders of magnitude higher than in the UK.
Some overall & very general comparisons in the occupational environment:
UK: Learning to fly is hideously expensive compared to median income/cost of living. For the population very few people tend to learn to fly, let alone get a professional licence
Very little general aviation employment. Not much use of GA. I suspect flying training at clubs might be the major use. Apart from training not much in the way of piston engine charter/air taxi/aerial work.
Large & dense population suports lots of jet & TP operators (read: airlines)
Oz: Learning to fly is relatively affordable compared to median income. Lots of people learn to fly.
Lots of use of GA: Aerial ag. (an whole industry/specialist field in itself), lots of flying schools (small & large businesses as well clubs), quite a lot of piston engine air taxi/charter/aerial work eg tourist flights, outback transport, air taxi to/from major centres, even regular public transport connecting small towns.
Small population, HUGE distances (Sydney-Perth is similar to London-Moscow), supports very few turbine airlines. The entire population of Oz is roughly the same as what's in the greater London area on a weekday.
End result:
UK: An airline expectation & hiring system that is geared to taking relatively inexperienced (as low as ~300 hrs) pilots directly onto TP & jets, in some cases straight out of an airline sponsored course.
Oz: An airline expectation & hiring system that is geared to taking experienced pilots who have usually moved up & through the industry levels. Common career paths:
Gain CPL then:
1. Go bush. Get poorly paid job with ~300 hrs experience, probably part time/casual flying a C182/206/210 into properties, small towns/abo. communities & tourist joyflights. Do an instrument rating. At around 800-1000 hrs get onto twins eg Baron, C310, possibly PA31 or C402. If you're very, very lucky your SE job might have been with a company that also has twins so eventually the multi flying will come your way. More often you'll be hopping jobs to try to score a twin seat. You could be lucky & get a job back in the city instead if the middle of nowhere.
At ~2000-3000 hrs total/ 1000-1500 multi, you'll be in a position where applying to a company that operates turbines is feasable. Note: Qantas is possible but since they're considered to be the pinacle & can't employ everyone there's an awfully lot of pilots who will never work for them.
2. Get an instructor rating. Get a part time/casual job instructing for a club/small school. Just about all of them will also do some sort of air taxi/charter. Move up through the instructor levels, eventually getting onto twins. Somewhere around ~1000-1500 hrs TT you could cross into the twin world of scenario 1. The instructor rating is beneficial career-wise for smaller organisations when it comes to their check & training requirements.
Otherwise stay instructing & doing charter.
3. Get a Low level endorsement & ag. rating. Get a job for a year or so driving the loading vehicle. Eventually be allowed to ferry the a/c & maybe a couple of easy ag. tasks for the company. As experience builds & the company places more trust in you you'll become one of the 'full timers' (this is seasonal work). Move onto the large turbine ag. aircraft along with the night time crop spraying. Get paid quite a lot but almost never leads into airline work.
This is all very broad brush. There are numerous exceptions & variations in each individual's career.
Converting to an Oz CPL is relatively straight forward. Providing you hold an ICAO equivalent licence (eg UK, JAR, FAA etc) then you'll need to:
1. Do an Oz Cl.1 medical. Nothing like the UK carry on. Book it with any Dr. authorised to do aviation medicals. You might have to have an audiogram/ECG/blood test.
NOTE: You don't need the Cl. 1 medical for the training & conversion. A Cl. 2 will suffice but why bother converting if you can't pass the medical that would let you work?
2. Do the 'Overseas Conversion Exam' for the level of licence you want (PPL, CPL, ATPL). Note that you must hold at least the equivalent foreign licence.
3. Approach any flying school/aero club that can do CPL training (basically ALL of them) (presuming it's a professional licence you want. They'll do an assessment flight from which you'll either be recommended to do the flight test or have a course tailored to make up any problems.
4. Do the CPL flight test. This can be with any Authorised Testing Officer (ATO) who can do CPL tests. It doesn't have to be with the authority. Your experience on various types from overseas will normally be credited onto your new Oz licence.
5. Repeat the assesment/recommendation/flight test stuff for an IR. You may have to do the IR theory exam.
6. If you're converting an ATPL and have the necessary hours then apply for the ATPL.
NOTE: The conversion & IR exams are each single exams, multi choice. Conversion exams focus mainly on Air Law.
Some overall & very general comparisons in the occupational environment:
UK: Learning to fly is hideously expensive compared to median income/cost of living. For the population very few people tend to learn to fly, let alone get a professional licence
Very little general aviation employment. Not much use of GA. I suspect flying training at clubs might be the major use. Apart from training not much in the way of piston engine charter/air taxi/aerial work.
Large & dense population suports lots of jet & TP operators (read: airlines)
Oz: Learning to fly is relatively affordable compared to median income. Lots of people learn to fly.
Lots of use of GA: Aerial ag. (an whole industry/specialist field in itself), lots of flying schools (small & large businesses as well clubs), quite a lot of piston engine air taxi/charter/aerial work eg tourist flights, outback transport, air taxi to/from major centres, even regular public transport connecting small towns.
Small population, HUGE distances (Sydney-Perth is similar to London-Moscow), supports very few turbine airlines. The entire population of Oz is roughly the same as what's in the greater London area on a weekday.
End result:
UK: An airline expectation & hiring system that is geared to taking relatively inexperienced (as low as ~300 hrs) pilots directly onto TP & jets, in some cases straight out of an airline sponsored course.
Oz: An airline expectation & hiring system that is geared to taking experienced pilots who have usually moved up & through the industry levels. Common career paths:
Gain CPL then:
1. Go bush. Get poorly paid job with ~300 hrs experience, probably part time/casual flying a C182/206/210 into properties, small towns/abo. communities & tourist joyflights. Do an instrument rating. At around 800-1000 hrs get onto twins eg Baron, C310, possibly PA31 or C402. If you're very, very lucky your SE job might have been with a company that also has twins so eventually the multi flying will come your way. More often you'll be hopping jobs to try to score a twin seat. You could be lucky & get a job back in the city instead if the middle of nowhere.
At ~2000-3000 hrs total/ 1000-1500 multi, you'll be in a position where applying to a company that operates turbines is feasable. Note: Qantas is possible but since they're considered to be the pinacle & can't employ everyone there's an awfully lot of pilots who will never work for them.
2. Get an instructor rating. Get a part time/casual job instructing for a club/small school. Just about all of them will also do some sort of air taxi/charter. Move up through the instructor levels, eventually getting onto twins. Somewhere around ~1000-1500 hrs TT you could cross into the twin world of scenario 1. The instructor rating is beneficial career-wise for smaller organisations when it comes to their check & training requirements.
Otherwise stay instructing & doing charter.
3. Get a Low level endorsement & ag. rating. Get a job for a year or so driving the loading vehicle. Eventually be allowed to ferry the a/c & maybe a couple of easy ag. tasks for the company. As experience builds & the company places more trust in you you'll become one of the 'full timers' (this is seasonal work). Move onto the large turbine ag. aircraft along with the night time crop spraying. Get paid quite a lot but almost never leads into airline work.
This is all very broad brush. There are numerous exceptions & variations in each individual's career.
Converting to an Oz CPL is relatively straight forward. Providing you hold an ICAO equivalent licence (eg UK, JAR, FAA etc) then you'll need to:
1. Do an Oz Cl.1 medical. Nothing like the UK carry on. Book it with any Dr. authorised to do aviation medicals. You might have to have an audiogram/ECG/blood test.
NOTE: You don't need the Cl. 1 medical for the training & conversion. A Cl. 2 will suffice but why bother converting if you can't pass the medical that would let you work?
2. Do the 'Overseas Conversion Exam' for the level of licence you want (PPL, CPL, ATPL). Note that you must hold at least the equivalent foreign licence.
3. Approach any flying school/aero club that can do CPL training (basically ALL of them) (presuming it's a professional licence you want. They'll do an assessment flight from which you'll either be recommended to do the flight test or have a course tailored to make up any problems.
4. Do the CPL flight test. This can be with any Authorised Testing Officer (ATO) who can do CPL tests. It doesn't have to be with the authority. Your experience on various types from overseas will normally be credited onto your new Oz licence.
5. Repeat the assesment/recommendation/flight test stuff for an IR. You may have to do the IR theory exam.
6. If you're converting an ATPL and have the necessary hours then apply for the ATPL.
NOTE: The conversion & IR exams are each single exams, multi choice. Conversion exams focus mainly on Air Law.
