AOPA needs our help!!!
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Twas not intended as a face slap, however will be interesting to see what comes from AOPA tommorrow.
Maybe its time to get a more youthful board together. Look for under 40's to run. Probably be able to move on things a lot quicker and change the image...
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Woomera, perhaps a poll about whether AOPA needs a spill?
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Maybe its time to get a more youthful board together. Look for under 40's to run. Probably be able to move on things a lot quicker and change the image...
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Woomera, perhaps a poll about whether AOPA needs a spill?
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Heh hehe 
An under 40s Board. I an 44 and was constantly criticised (albeit usually jokingly) by Pike for being too young.
Some of what is said above is true, however I say again, the actions of Friday were not precipitated by the Hannan letter.
Someone said something about accountability (ax??) and someone else about voluteer work. Now I personally don't get on with Hamilton, but he has worked his bl@@dy guts out for GA. I don't particularly like Pike's style, but he has too.
So yeah, if you are so good (collective you) then step up to bat!!!
As for responsibility, I'll accept that, but there are people out there who threaten legal action quicker than they say good morning. I won't wear that without cover. But my main reasons for leaveing were that decisions had been made that I knew nothing of, decisions that I believe impacted on finances. Now whether these decisions, in the light of morning, will be seen as good or bad I don't know and I don't care. As a Director I was responsible for them, but I had no say. So I jumped.
Now in my view AOPA has been run for quite a while on a very agressive stance. To get an example of this:
Go to www.aaal.com.au - then newsletters - then Jan/feb
Now these guys are airport owners. They need us we need them. But the are now very very p!ssed off at AOPA. This is reasonably typical of the last 2 years.
I think we could learn from Axiom. He and I started fighting, then I suppose we figured we needed to find some common ground. And we did (I think ).
AOPA needs to find common ground with AAA, AUF, GFA, PFA etc etc and then develop a strategy. At the moment from where I stood on the Board there wasn't one, or if there was, noone shared it with the Board. AOPA also needs to start playing the ball and not the man. Too many personal attacks have alienated regulators, politicians and advisors alike. So now AOPA isn't listened to in any halls of power.
The only person on the Board who can pull AOPA out of its present rut and turn it into a viable, believeable and powerful force is Marjorie Pagani. To do this she needs help.
That bit is up to you.
An under 40s Board. I an 44 and was constantly criticised (albeit usually jokingly) by Pike for being too young.
Some of what is said above is true, however I say again, the actions of Friday were not precipitated by the Hannan letter.
Someone said something about accountability (ax??) and someone else about voluteer work. Now I personally don't get on with Hamilton, but he has worked his bl@@dy guts out for GA. I don't particularly like Pike's style, but he has too.
So yeah, if you are so good (collective you) then step up to bat!!!
As for responsibility, I'll accept that, but there are people out there who threaten legal action quicker than they say good morning. I won't wear that without cover. But my main reasons for leaveing were that decisions had been made that I knew nothing of, decisions that I believe impacted on finances. Now whether these decisions, in the light of morning, will be seen as good or bad I don't know and I don't care. As a Director I was responsible for them, but I had no say. So I jumped.
Now in my view AOPA has been run for quite a while on a very agressive stance. To get an example of this:
Go to www.aaal.com.au - then newsletters - then Jan/feb
Now these guys are airport owners. They need us we need them. But the are now very very p!ssed off at AOPA. This is reasonably typical of the last 2 years.
I think we could learn from Axiom. He and I started fighting, then I suppose we figured we needed to find some common ground. And we did (I think
).AOPA needs to find common ground with AAA, AUF, GFA, PFA etc etc and then develop a strategy. At the moment from where I stood on the Board there wasn't one, or if there was, noone shared it with the Board. AOPA also needs to start playing the ball and not the man. Too many personal attacks have alienated regulators, politicians and advisors alike. So now AOPA isn't listened to in any halls of power.
The only person on the Board who can pull AOPA out of its present rut and turn it into a viable, believeable and powerful force is Marjorie Pagani. To do this she needs help.
That bit is up to you.
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Options running out
AOPA is facing a serious crisis and the options are fast running out.
Marjorie Pagani is the only current board who can offer the leadership, skills and experience to save AOPA from a complete collapse. But without the supportive environment of fellow board members who share the need and urgency for reform, no leader could bring the outcomes members would expect.
AOPA is fixable but not with the current board dynamics. I understand that all directors other than John Lyon & Bill Hamilton would be willing to spill and allow members to vote
in a new board. You may well ask why Hamilton & Lyon are not prepared to let the members decide at such a formative time and when AOPA is on the brink.
The dilemma of course is that who would want to join a board where there is no Directors’ Liability cover?
The insurer refused to renew, principally because of AOPA’s financial situation. Mr Hamilton blames myself for producing accounts that are incorrect and claims that membership liabilities should not be funded – the HIH treatment. Unfortunately for Mr Hamilton, the insurance company is able to read a balance sheet and all the filibustering, juggling and magic in the world will not make AOPA’s financial situation look any better.
Only 2 days ago Hamilton was telling the AOPA board ….
quote:
"As a result of adopting an accounting method NOT required by the Australian Accounting Standard, and by then treating members forward membership as an unqualified liability, which it is not, we have created an accounting deficit which leads an insurance company to come to the conclusion that we are verging on the edge of insolvency, which we are not."
In my opinion, Mr Hamilton appears to be very much out of step with the rest of the board, has dispensed legal and accounting advice without any formal qualifications and has not produced any expert opinions that contradict either the AOPA board’s position, the auditors or the insurance company. So how can a board divided over whether there is a problem or not ever produce reform outcomes?
There must be an election immediately for all positions. The only other alternative is for the board to place AOPA into voluntary Administration.
Cheers
Russell
(Treasurer before the last one)
Marjorie Pagani is the only current board who can offer the leadership, skills and experience to save AOPA from a complete collapse. But without the supportive environment of fellow board members who share the need and urgency for reform, no leader could bring the outcomes members would expect.
AOPA is fixable but not with the current board dynamics. I understand that all directors other than John Lyon & Bill Hamilton would be willing to spill and allow members to vote
in a new board. You may well ask why Hamilton & Lyon are not prepared to let the members decide at such a formative time and when AOPA is on the brink.
The dilemma of course is that who would want to join a board where there is no Directors’ Liability cover?
The insurer refused to renew, principally because of AOPA’s financial situation. Mr Hamilton blames myself for producing accounts that are incorrect and claims that membership liabilities should not be funded – the HIH treatment. Unfortunately for Mr Hamilton, the insurance company is able to read a balance sheet and all the filibustering, juggling and magic in the world will not make AOPA’s financial situation look any better.
Only 2 days ago Hamilton was telling the AOPA board ….
quote:
"As a result of adopting an accounting method NOT required by the Australian Accounting Standard, and by then treating members forward membership as an unqualified liability, which it is not, we have created an accounting deficit which leads an insurance company to come to the conclusion that we are verging on the edge of insolvency, which we are not."
In my opinion, Mr Hamilton appears to be very much out of step with the rest of the board, has dispensed legal and accounting advice without any formal qualifications and has not produced any expert opinions that contradict either the AOPA board’s position, the auditors or the insurance company. So how can a board divided over whether there is a problem or not ever produce reform outcomes?
There must be an election immediately for all positions. The only other alternative is for the board to place AOPA into voluntary Administration.
Cheers
Russell
(Treasurer before the last one)
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Guy's lets settle down a bit here.
I tell you what its just as well that Im a current member because as far as this thread goes you have just about scared the sh*t of of me renewing my membership. Sorry if you dont like to here this but the way you guy's are going on you are probably doing more damage than the current board.
Remember who actually reads this there is alot of new people to aviation that you are putting off joining AOPA with this talk. If you truly are a supporter of AOPA as you claim to be then you would see this. AOPA needs the support of pilots old and new by the sound of it. Maybe you Guy's have a hidden agenda here who knows? but this is damaging to AOPA and the industry in general. Some people are airing their personal laundry here sorry not the place, AOPA has there doors wide open for all if you do feel so strong about this get together march in and find the answers dont put people off joining an organization that has always been there to support us and them when they need advise, Sorry to repeat myself but step up and have a bat by all means if not don't make things worse for the people that will try and make things better.
I tell you what its just as well that Im a current member because as far as this thread goes you have just about scared the sh*t of of me renewing my membership. Sorry if you dont like to here this but the way you guy's are going on you are probably doing more damage than the current board.
Remember who actually reads this there is alot of new people to aviation that you are putting off joining AOPA with this talk. If you truly are a supporter of AOPA as you claim to be then you would see this. AOPA needs the support of pilots old and new by the sound of it. Maybe you Guy's have a hidden agenda here who knows? but this is damaging to AOPA and the industry in general. Some people are airing their personal laundry here sorry not the place, AOPA has there doors wide open for all if you do feel so strong about this get together march in and find the answers dont put people off joining an organization that has always been there to support us and them when they need advise, Sorry to repeat myself but step up and have a bat by all means if not don't make things worse for the people that will try and make things better.
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learn to change the things you can, accept the things you can't and above all have the wisdom to know the difference between the two. Fantastic words maybe you should adopt them, do you realy think that posing that kind of question on a rumour site will get you a satisfactory answer get a life. Without sounding like a broken record people like you are only making things worse for the genuine people out there that are attempting to change things, you make my blood boil
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There is absolutely no reason to post that kind of question you could have contacted AOPA and asked them youself but no you choose to let everyone know that you are not happy well boo hoo!. This thread is sliding down hill fast not good for AOPA or GA in any way particularly new comers to the industry. Who do you thing will represent Brian if AOPA is not around you? or perhaps you feel you could do a better job if that he case run for the board. So easy to critisise typical human trait we quickly forget all the good things that have been done. To expand on this when it comes to the crunch and people do decide to remove board members I sure hope that there are people out there to replace them and have the time to do the job correctly, if not it will only make the situation worse. Sometimes the percieved answer to a problem is not always the best one. If you all feel so passionate about your views and realy want to help this is not the way try the AGM.
learn to change the things you can, accept the things you can't and above all have the wisdom to know the difference between the two. Fantastic words maybe you should adopt them, do you realy think that posing that kind of question on a rumour site will get you a satisfactory answer get a life. Without sounding like a broken record people like you are only making things worse for the genuine people out there that are attempting to change things, you make my blood boil
. There is absolutely no reason to post that kind of question you could have contacted AOPA and asked them youself but no you choose to let everyone know that you are not happy well boo hoo!. This thread is sliding down hill fast not good for AOPA or GA in any way particularly new comers to the industry. Who do you thing will represent Brian if AOPA is not around you? or perhaps you feel you could do a better job if that he case run for the board. So easy to critisise typical human trait we quickly forget all the good things that have been done. To expand on this when it comes to the crunch and people do decide to remove board members I sure hope that there are people out there to replace them and have the time to do the job correctly, if not it will only make the situation worse. Sometimes the percieved answer to a problem is not always the best one. If you all feel so passionate about your views and realy want to help this is not the way try the AGM.
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I am closing this thread and direct your attention to the new thread.
"AOPA the way forward" on D & G Reporting Points.
Lets get positive, how when and why it happened is only important, in so far as it guides us in a manner that we do not continue to make the same mistakes.
"AOPA the way forward" on D & G Reporting Points.
Lets get positive, how when and why it happened is only important, in so far as it guides us in a manner that we do not continue to make the same mistakes.
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